Plane Wrecks, what`s happening

Yes it could be deep, but a good metal detector ( 1,5-2m depth working ) could be usefull.

Cantacuzino is right and we don`t have to look where is Romania with its economy. we should look what we can do . This is not something like what your country can do for you ao what does. This is about people standing togeder for a goal. Maybe it`s just a dream , but can this dream come true? Manny people from this forum have lot`s of info so everything put togeder something can be done. And another thing IAR haven`t fall only in sea also as I saw on other post in lake or swamp etc. So the minimum that can be done is at least identify all those places and maybe in an close future something will be done.

I was not very specific about aviation, but with the help of private money raised by ONG there is a posibility to obtain great amount of money, even thousands of euro to restore, let's say, at least parts of aircrafts if no an entire one. It is little, but better than nothing. Our asociation has the purpose to help museums in this way and we put this help in our plan of action for 2009. We hope we'll obtain money from autorities in order to help a military museum, the one from Oradea.

And this is exactly where the problem is. Many Romanians are too used to the "sa se" phenomenon. Sa SE faca. Sa SE dea. Ce SE da aicea doamna? This "SA SE" is the cause of many problems. Nothing will ever be accomplished by this "mentalitate de milog". Why expect for something to be done? The question is not "what can be done?" but rather "what can I do?". You ask for something "sa se"? "Sa se" by whom? Talk is cheap.
People standing together for a goal? No!. It is the right people standing together for a goal. The right people (financiers, restorers, relevant specialists) standing together is a project. Random guys with opinions standing together is just a crowd.
Every single project that you admire in other countries was completed by people who risked their own money, time and effort to get the thing done. Even in Romania, every single thing you see in a museum is there because a very determined person fought, spent time and effort to put it there. None of those projects appeared fully formed like Venus from sea foam.
Radu

And talking about IAR 80, i remember that in Aviation Museum it is an engine mount (batiu motor) of an IAR80-81 from romanian pilot Lt Horia Agarici. I know the guy who brought it there and the whole story. His father was close friend with Agarici when was exilated in Baragan. Agarici gave the engine mount to his friend. Many years this was used as table mount in the family garden ( painted green).
The piece was donated to the museum and was exbited with no mentioning about Agarici ( for museum staff, Agarici is not an important person in rom. aviation history).

I never sayed that someone else should do all the work. If I can help just request my help and if I can help will be a pleasure. But if I have the possibility to help( I live near Timisoara and just can`t leave from work when I want, or get a leave ). Nobody can request such things from other people but if everything is planned before things can be done. And this is valid not for me but for everybody. I`m sorry if I have been misunderstood.
thx and another thx for Cantacuzino`s story ,unfortunately sad facts

Why the anger? To me, that is a not necessarily a sad story. The engine mount is on display in the museum for everyone to see. Agarici is not mentioned, but maybe he will be in the future.
Radu

Well because I don`t think that there are big heroes and small heroes and also I think that if there`s an piece of "something" in a museum and an known possessor his name should be mentioned even if he is or not an "hero"(an very well known character for his bravery did`s.

Sometimes, a half-full glass is better than no glass at all.
Radu

The same is with many aviators pictures hanging on the wall. They don't have the identity.
We hope that in the future this should be also changed because it is a shame that visitors should ask : who is that guy ? and no answer from museum guiders.

Cantacuzino is right. But the main question remains : can this be done and what are the chances that this will happen in an close future? And another question : why not give a try ?at least to locate the crash sites in forests lakes and sea because this is the firsth step. Afterwards we can se if we can do something or not. and if can`t do nothing maybe somebody else could.

It was explained above how it can be done. Have you ever done a business plan? It is the same thing. You need to make a list of what you need to do, a lits of things/people you need, price each one of those, draw a line and add the total then go lookinfg for the funds.
It is possible, but you need all of the above.
Radu

I guess that the IAR80 wreck in best shape would be No143 which made a sea landing in 21.10.42 near Mangalia pilot survived, plane lost.

With the amount of money that would be involved in a venture like recovery you need more than guess work.

Kevin in Deva.

Yes you are right but I think that we could find someone who is an pro diver(on the forum was a person with the nick u260) and maybe he can help.

This post has been edited by ovichelu on January 21, 2009 06:03 pm