Plane Wrecks, what`s happening

and to see that i'm not only making discussion, i realy enjoy "wandering the batllefields"....

greetings!

What is this all about?

Seeker, are you an expert in restoration? Are you an expert in FAMO? Can you please give me a link to your restoration work? Otherwise, if you are just a guy who built a 1/35 Tamyia kit armed with the "FaMo Fibel" book and then fancies himself as a "mechanic" as a result, then there is not susprise that the museum said "NO". Credentials! That is what opens the doors.

You mentioned the crisis. I accidentally happened to be present at a discussion in which the director of a certain museum was trying to make a postament to display a memorial plaque. The problem was that they did not even have the money for a sack of cement. The museum was empty (therefore no ticket sales) and the funds from the government were limited. They are doing the best with limited resources. The FAMO in the museum is not restored because the funds are low. The best they can do is try to preserve it and hope for better days.

I can guarantee to you that if you do a proper restoration plan you will be allowed to restore that FAMO. As I said before to the other "empty words entusiast" (there are ten a cent out there), a project schedule is like a business plan. Have you ever done a business plan? Here is an idea of what a business plan requires. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_plan Once you have such a plan, you will be allowed to restore it. These people need to see that you know what you are doing and you are willing to put your money where your mouth is.

"Getting involved" is not enough. "Skilled involvement" is essential, otherwise I will have to remind you the Romanian saying "fereste-te de prostul harnic".

Radu

1. about "diabetes & other" i was answering to a member from this forum. if you'll look on the previos posts you'll find.
2. i'm not an expert, and you don't need to be an expert to realize that even if you throw a box of ral 7021 on the Famo's body, without even bother to remove the rust will preserve for at least 10 years...but what do i know? we just restore helmets, cars, motorcycles..etc. we can restore the hole body& apply paint and surprise!!! we can bring parts for Famo too!
are you the decision factor in museum restoration projects?
3.regarding the issue with the museum's lack of funds....that's bad management. but...you're an expert in that too so i don't need to give you example of one museum in Brasov that has 3 chairs and 2 paintings and makes money.
4. only the ideea of someone to work as volunteer to restore something that is rusting in your yard would had to make them interested.

as for youre advices quoted from 10lei motivational book, and also for youre superior attitude and lack of respect i can only say that you are blocked in "hai sa facem..." comparing to others that are in "deja facem..."

Seeker, maybe I do not "get" your "sarcasm", but I never claimed I was a "specialist" in anything.

Picture this scenario: You have a house. The chimney is falling apart. All of a sudden, there is a knock at your door and a complete stranger tells you that he is a "chimney enthusiast" and is willing to restore your chimney with his own tools at his own expense in exchange for "bed and board". What do you do?
1) Will you say "sure, why not?"
2) Will you sau "show me what you plan to do and I will decide then"

Maybe you did not read my post carefully. I did not tell you to give up. I told you what you need to do. Devise a restoration plan (I even gave you a link to a webpage that can give you an idea of what you need to put in that plan), then present it to the museum and then leave it to to the museum to accept or refuse it. Only when they refuse your carefully devised and costed plan you are entitled go around on forums blaming and acusing the museum of carelessness. Talk is cheap.

Radu

This post has been edited by Radub on May 12, 2009 09:59 am

You are mad because we do not agree with your ideas, well Boo Hoo!

And as this is a PUBLIC Forum I have no intention of shutting my mouth,

no matter what language you shout it in.

From what my brothers tell me, weekly from home, nobody in Ireland is starving to death yet because of the economic crisis

By the way "Ground Found Relics" hardly fit the description of Antiques

Also please offer proof where items that have been offered to the State of Romania

have been taken and been sold off.

Many members here, have a life, that includes working to feed their families and pay the rent, sorry they cant all rush off to play with you but look on the bright side, its more stuff for you to find by yourself.

You seem annoyed because nobody was praising your attempts to dress as a nazi paratrooper, a true re-enactor is not in it for the glory or fame but for history.

With regards the FAMO half-track its going to take more than a lick of paint to do anything with that item, large areas of the body and chassis have rusted completely through. A true restoration project on this will take lots of time and lots of money. It would be interesting to know where the "specific" paint came from, as I think the original factory closed post WW2.

Also the Museum has to be careful about letting none staff members do work in case of any accidents, they do not want to be held legally responsible. So you see in real life there are lots of complications to be encountered.

Stay safe, old battlefields can be dangerous places.

Kevin in Deva.

P.S.

Says it all.

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This post has been edited by Victor on May 12, 2009 12:01 pm

Calm down people. There is no need to shout or to jump to personal attacks.

Later edit:
Off topic posts were either deleted or moved to Nazi evil

Please stick to the topic.

There is a 1 : 1 replica of a IAR-80 in the museum dedicated to the history of the Romanian aviation, in Bucureşti, str. Fabrica de Glucoză nr. 2-4, sector 2.
As I am not sure 100% about address, I can say for sure that the museum was opened in the new location in the summer of 2007, and it is maintained by the Romanian army.
I was lucky enough to be accepted to visit it a week before its official opening, in August 2007. My visit was in the morning of the hottest day ever registered in Bucharest to that moment, and if there was no hotter day since then, it was the hottest day ever.
Returning to that replica of the IAR-80, its accuracy is arguable. That big room had a poor lighting. I had the feeling that the replica is a bit smaller than 1 : 1.

This post has been edited by Florin on June 14, 2009 06:33 am

Hi Florin,
There are actually 2 full scale replicas of the IAR80 in Bucharest.
One is in the Central Military Museum and the other is in the Aviation Museum (this is the one you mentioned in your post).

Neither is perfect, but of the two, the one in the Aviation Museum is better. There are issues with it in a number of places, but by far the worst is the windscreen that jumps out right away. When the Aviation museum was in Baneasa and then when they moved to Otopeni, this 1/1 model was displayed in the open air and it got really sun-bleached and looked terrible. In fact, when it was in Otopeni, it was in an inside yard and was surrounded by tall grass. Combined with the fact that the colours were odd to start with, when the colours got sun-bleached they got even worse. When they moved to Pipera, they painted it in better colours and it is quite good to look at. I saw it two months ago and I was quite impressed. I am of the opinion that with some corrections it can be turned into a decent 1/1 representation of the real thing. At least there is a start.

Here are some photos: http://www.paulnann.com/Country.asp?Countr...Family=IAR%2E80

HTH
Radu