Looking for pictures or video on Ploiesti bombing

[Cristian Craciunoiu]

PS - The English version, much larger is almost ready and will come in USA in March. About 50 new pictures were added.

[cipiamon]

where can you get franch magazines in Romania?
that remindes me of pif when i was small

[Carol I]

Looking through the newsreels available at British Pathe (thanks rcristi for the tip), I have found a movie about the 1 August 1943 raid on the Ploiesti refineries. The movie has the title "Ploesti Pranged" ( film ID 1093.18 ) and in the beginning (seconds 11-30) it shows a map of the raid where Romania has the frontiers unaffected by the territorial losses of the summer of 1940 (Northern Transylvania, Bessarabia and even the Quadrilateral are clearly part of Romania).



As the movie is dated 2 September 1943, does this mean that at that date USA did not recognise the border changes imposed to Romania in 1940? Or the map was only a mistake?

[Dénes]

The problems of frontiers was already discussed earlier.
Apparently, the Western Allies did not recognize ANY border changes, which occured from 1938 on, thus the map shows the pre-1938 situation. See, for example, the existence on the map of Austria, Poland, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, states long dissolved in 1943.

[Carol I]

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Tne problems of frontiers was already discussed earlier.

I have seen your earlier statement on the issue, but it did not seem complete (nor it was followed by a discussion).

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Apparently, the Western Allies did not recognize ANY border changes, which occured from 1938 on, thus the map shows the pre-1938 situation. See, for example, the existence on the map of Austria, Poland, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, states long dissolved in 1943.

The map shows indeed Austria, annexed by Germany in March 1938. Does this mean that the Western Allies England and France have denounced the 1938 Munich Pact (signed on 29 September 1938, i.e. after the annexation of Austria)? Was there any official statement about denouncing this particular agreement that they have signed in 1938? If it existed, what was the basis for the denouncement?

If the Western Allies did not recognise by 1943 the annexation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina by Russia, when did they eventually do it? Were there any tensions with Russia on this particular issue?

[aerialls]

the cercles are marking the places were the bombs fall, "off target" i supose.

[Carol I]

Also on British Pathe there is "Ploesti Oil Fields Devastated" (film ID 1368.06).

[cipiamon]

thanks, too bad the qu ality ones are not free

[dragos]

Source: http://www.modelism.ro/rev32003.htm#1943

[Stefan]

Hello, I'm a bit late in the discussion, but here's a fairly decent quality 3:44min clip from operation Tidalwave. (17MB, it uses XVID codec http://nic.dnsalias.com/xvid.html)

http://205.151.201.211/stefan/ploesti_clip.avi

I cut it out from a 43 min documentary film I have on the Ploesti bombing.

[cipiamon]

That is just GREAT!!!! good resolution, long shots. Good stuff for my documentary.
You said you cut it from a documentary on Ploesti, you meen there is more?

Thank you very much!!!

[Carol I]

Look also on the USAAF Bombing Run Photos thread initiated by Dénes.

[cipiamon]

Thanks Carol!!! that is A+ material,
the good news is that soon a site wil contain aerial images of all the ocupaied Europe, but is not read yet...

http://www.evidenceincamera.co.uk/index.htm

[cnflyboy2000]

QUOTE

QUOTE Narrator was Walther Cronkite. I thought it was more a propaganda type of movie. Well, Walter Kronkite is an idiot. Thank God he retired. :roll:

Sir: No, he is/was not! Far from it, imo.

Perhaps u are too young to remember how he handled himself and the situation when JFK was assasinated, as only one example.

He was actually a reporter, as opposed to a guy with a good haircut and smiley TV face.

He came from a different era, but he was no idiot.

[dragos]

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