Romanians vs Romanians in WWI

I found it. Cassian R. Munteanu was in reg 49 Caransebes and fought 5 weeks in Serbia, where he was WIA. His regiment was sent in Galitia, and he follow it after he recovered. He spent 11 months in first line, he become ill and later he escaped in Romania from hospital. He became volunteer in Romanian army and take part in war, incuding the battle of Marasesti, about it he write the book mentioned earlier.
About his period in AH army, he wrote a book, "Atacul", published in 1915, and later reedited under the name "Martiriul catanelor", 1919. The late version is more complete, including his escape to Romania.
All his writtings, including "Martiriul catanelor" and some poems, also some references about his works, are published in 1977 edition named "Batalia de la Marasesti", at Editura Facla. He passed away in 1921.
In "Martiriul catanelor" are many references about fightings between Romanians in AH army and Russian army. Also, about his activity on Serbian front, are some references, including an interesant discussion across the Danube, in Romanian language, between Romanians and Serbs, one of the Serbs brother-in-law with one of the Romanians.

Danila Pop (Papp) was the general who comanded one of the Romanians divisions made from volunteers from Ardeal during the Romanian-Hungarian war in 1919. He took action in battle of Szolnok, his division had an important role in occupation of the city.

So, despite the insinuation "Papp is hardly a romanian name", he was indeed romanian.

I don't get it: which part of my original statement is false? What "insinuation" are you talking about?
Papp is not a Rumanian name. Period. I stand by my words.

If the quoted Gen. Danila Papp considered himself a Rumanian, it's his own right. No question about it. However, the fact that he fought against the Hungarian Red Army is not proof to anything. Many Hungarians fought against the Bolsheviks at a point or another, including members the Szekler Division, or Horthy's National Army. That hardly makes them Rumanians...

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on April 23, 2010 06:59 pm

Denes, you know very well what are you saying, and also I know it. Every time someone mentioned a magyarised name and one told that that name might be actually a romanian name, but magyarised, you tried to bring another light onto it (it wouldnt be wrong if it would be also realistic).

This case is the same. Papp is just the magyarised name of romanian Pop (of course Papp is not romanian, it is hungarian, but it is not the original name, who was actually Pop), and the given name Danila is also romanian. The guy was romanian. And the Szekler Division (and the bolshevic hungarian army) fought AGAINST romanian army, which Danila Papp (Pop) didnt in 1919.

Living in Transylvania and knowing my people's history, I can see, in most cases, when under a magyarised name it is a romanian. My grandfather had his name magyarised, my father-in-law also, and only those who didnt wanted to see the reality considered them hungarians.

In this manner of seeing things, you can consider my father-in-law "hardly to be romanian name" because between 1940 to 1944 he was Balogh Togyer, instead Bologa Toader, how was before 1940 and how he is from 1944, by his own will and nature, being romanian as all his ancestors were. Or my grandfather is "hardly to be a romanian name" because he was until ww1 and between 1940-1944 Briyszk Tivadar, but he died as he was and he wished, Brisc Teodor, romanian as all from his familly. Or my grandmother, Purdi, who was in reality the romanian Pordea. All I can sustain with documents and I know what I'm saying.

So, nothing personal, no offence meant, I promise that when I'll see a hungarian name atributed to a hungarian, I'll be the first who will respect it and to recognise it. And if in the future if I'll make the mistake of misinterpreting a hungarian name which belong to a hungarian, I'll be the first who will apologise. But until some try to lead the reader into unclear waters when speaking about romanians from Transylvania, I cant stay away (my genetic is the "guilty" one, my "moţ" DNA is speaking out ).

Danila Pop (Papp) was the general comandant of 18 Division, formed from Romanian volunteers from Transylvania, many of them who come back from Russia's prison camps, other returned from Italy, others who served in Romanian Legion in Italy and fought at Piave (1918).
He was Romanian, one hundred per cent. It apears also in Captain Gheorghe Vornicu memoires about Szolnok battle.
In some sources he apears like Danila Pop, others like Papp (including in OOB in 1919).
His Chief of Staff was lt-col Iacobici Iosef (later general in ww2, I suppose is the same person).

General Ioan Boeriu was the comander of Romanian troops in Viena, in late 1918 (including Reg 64 Orastie). He was the one who gave the entire command of Romanian troops to artillery slt. Iuliu Maniu, who organised Romanians in Viena and Praga and sent them home, to Transylvania. Under his command, Romanian troops assured order in Viena, where all other units and police forces were bolshevised. Two weeks, Romanian soldiers were the only ones who mantained peace and order in Viena and surroundings. General Ioan Boeriu served as Iuliu Maniu's secretary during this time.

More about this, here:

http://cristiannegrea.blogspot.com/2010/02...si-garzile.html

Send me your e-mail address in PM and I will e-mailed you the details, along with a file attachment, where you can read more about this manuscript.

Contras, can you please tell us more details about Munteanu's service on the Serbian Front? Is his book a real memoir of a novelised memoir? How much space does he devote to Serbia 1914 and does he describe the fightings in which his regiment took part?

Caransebes regiment was Nr. 43. Nr. 49 was from St. Poelten.

Klemen

perhaps he was related to Papp Jancsi from Pest

"Martiriul catanelor" ("Atacul", in first print) consisted in few short war autobiographical stories about some events in ww1. The same way like Octav C. Taslauanu's "Trei luni pe campul de razboi", "Hora obuzelor".
The main part are from Galitian's front. Cassian Munteanu took part 6 weeks on Serbian front, where was WIA. If yoy want more information, I'll borrow the book frm local library, and give you the info you need.

Why, Papp Jancsi was also a magyarised Rumanian?

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on April 25, 2010 12:51 pm

Why, Papp Jancsi was also a magyarised Rumanian?

Gen. Dénes

Papp Jancsi is 100% hungarian in my opinion, and hungarian Danila Papp went visiting him as a relative in 1919, in Pest, because it was a long time since they didnt seen each other. But Papp Danila went to Pest together with his friends, thousands of transylvanian volunteers, who take care of him not to loose his way in Hungary, meeting his cousin Papp Jancsi (after some authors Papp Laci or Papp Pista, it is still debatable, trying to establish the colour of their eyes).

That's great. For a moment I was afraid that he wrote his memoirs in a novelist fashion. I don't like that type because one is never sure what what is written is true and what has been made up. I also don't like when the names of the main protoganonists are changed like in Liviu Rebreanu's novel.

Can you do this?? That would be great! I am very interested to read what he wrote about his short stay on the Serbian Front. I don't think I have read yet the memoirs of a Romanian who was there. Most of the memoirs from the Serbian Front are German, Czech, Croatian and Serbian.

By the way contras can you check if your library also has the following two books:

- Sextil Puscariu. Memorii. Minerva Ed. 1978
http://www.shop-bay.ro/-Memorii--Sextil-Pu...tia-163007.html

- Zaharia Boila. Memorii. Biblioteca Apostrof, Cluj-Napoca 2007
http://www.ne-cenzurat.ro/arhiva/necenzura...19_cultura.html

I am particularly eager to find out Puscariu's memoirs after finding out he served on the Italian Front during WW1. It would be nice to know more about his wartime service and his memoirs are also big, so I am hoping for substantial chapter about his WW1 service.

URL: http://www.centruldestudiitransilvane.ro/d...iu.aspx?eID=144

lp,

Klemen

OK, I'll check. Many times, I'm not so enthusiast about some memories reedited after '45, because could be censored. Very few I read escaped from this. I like more those who apeared interwar period, but those are very rare and hard to find.

I know what you mean contras but Puscariu's memoirs have in total about 900 pages! Now something tells me that his book probably didn't get much editing.

Thanks for all your help on this in advance. Looking forward.

lp,

Klemen