Romanians vs Romanians in WWI

I didnt forget, but I was quite busy in last days. Give me few weeks and I will resolve it.

Iancu Domasneanu (1868 - ?) served in AH army and was accepted in romanian Army with the Brig. Gen. rank at 17 August 1917. During Romanian-Hungarian war in 1919 he was commander of Div 19 Inf. One order in 10 November 1919 put Banat area under his command, with PC at Timisoara.

Banat was also promised to the Serbs by the Entente. There were skirmishes between Serbian and Rumanian troops trying to take as much territory as possible before the final borders were settled in 1919.

Gen. Dénes

It was about the Banat area after the final borders were settled.

Alexandru Hanzu (1871 - ?) served in AH army and was accepted in Romanian Army with the Brig. Gen. rank at 18 November 1918. From 25 January 1919 he was commander of 16 Inf Division.
Ioan Boeriu (1859 - ?) was general in AH army in 1918. He worked with Iuliu Maniu at Viena (see my previous posts). In 1921 he was commander of Romanian 7th Army Corps.
Danila Papp (Pop), (1868 - ?) served in AH army and was accepted in Romanian Army with the Brig. Gen. rank at 1SEptember 1917. Between December 1918 - 25 January 1919 he was Chief of Staff at General Teritorial Command Sibiu. From 25 January 1919 he was Commander of 18 Infantry Division.
His Chief of Staff at this division was lt-col Iosif Iacobici, who served in AH army before. Later, in ww2, he served as general.

All these mentioned, incuding gen Domasneanu (my previous post) took part at Romanian-Hungarian war in 1919.

Sorry, I'm not sure about general Boeriu. I didn't find yet some serious material about his activity during this war.

Hello contras,

Brilliant stuff, contras!

August 1917??? Are you sure about this? I find it namely extremly difficult to believe that a general in the Austro-Hungarian Army would desert in 1917 to join the army of his emperor's enemy. I can't recall any such cases during WW1. There were other high-ranking officers of Romanian, Italian and Serbian origin in the k.u.k. Army but they remained loyal until the end of the war. There were some cases of desertion or defections but mostly among junior ranks, especially reserve officers.

Thank you for this info. Very interesting stuff.

Contras, can you find me anything about Lt.Col. Alexander Vlad (Alexandru Vlad)? I am asking you this because some time ago I read an article about the Steierische Freiwilligen Schützen on the Isonzo Front in 1917. The article mentioned that their commander was one Major (later Lt.Col). Vlad, who was even recommended for the MMThO. The only guy who kinda fits this description is Lt.Col. Alexander Vlad. I believed he served before the war with k.u.k. IR. Nr. 27 in Graz and Laibach (Ljubljana), but this is not confirmed yet. I tried to google his name but all what I got are some hits to a novelist and a dancer with the same name and of course to Vlad the Dracula.

Best regards,

Klemen

I'm not so sure, because I took this figure from just one source, and could be a tipo mistake. It's is a footnote in Transylvanian Troops Commander operational diary. (Jurnal de operatiuni al Comandamentului Trupelor din Transilvania 1918 - 1921, Editura Muzeului Satmarean, 2 vol, 1998).

On topic, in his memories Ion Gr. Oprisan (21 de luni pe caile robiei, 1920, and Lanturi frante, 1921, republished by ed. Argonaut, 2003) tells about one attack in August 1914, at Intorsura Buzaului area. His batalion attacked one hill covered with forests near Crasna river. Two hours they climbed against enemy positions from where received heavy fire, but no one fall. No KIA, no injured. When Romanians take enemy positions, all surrendered, some oficers run away. They were from Reg 23 from Banat, Romanians. Slt Oprisan asked them why they fired on us. They answered if they don't aim at the sky, no one could reach the trench. The position was heavily fortified.

In august 1914? Romania was not war at that time!

Don't you have in Romania the so-called Military Schematismus, which lists the names of all the officers in the Royal Romanian Army after 1919? Here is how the Austrio-Hungarian k.u.k. Schematismus looked like for year 1895.

http://www.archive.org/stream/schematismusfrd07kriegoog

lp,

Klemen

Sorry, I mean August 1916.

Yes, there is. It's called Anuarul ofiterilor (or similar).

Gen. Dénes

It was a discussion some time ago about the origins (romanian or not) of Dănilă Papp, general of romanian army in 1919, ex-AH officer. Now, that I found data about him, I share it with you.

General Dănilă Papp was born in Aciua (today Avram Iancu), Arad county, at 20 may 1868.

He was son of Dănilă Papp and Maria Karl. He had several brothers, as follows: Sabin Antoniu Simion, died as child; Corneliu Nepos, died as child; Victoria, died as child; Maria Emilia Ana, born 1875, established at Cluj.

His father, also named Dănilă, was secretary of the "prefect" from Baia de Criş between 1861-1868. After that, his father moved as "jude cercual" in "subpretura" Aciua. In 1872 Dănilă senior was named "subjude" in Baia de Criş until 1876, when he was transfered at Kecskemet, Nagy-Koros and Igal. He was born in 1835 at Crişcior, Hunedoara county, as the child of Toma Papp and Terezia Lucaciu, peasants. He studied theology at Budapest, being of greek-catholic religion. He married in 24 january 1864 Maria Karl, born in Băiţa in 1842. He died on 13 april 1887 at Crişcior.

General Dănilă Papp graduated secondary studies in Deva in 1887. Then he followed Military Academy in Wiener Neustadt between 1887-1890. Stage at Orăştie between 1890-1894, professor at cadet school from Sibiu (1894-1899). Graduated superior course of engineers ("geniu") from Wien (1899-1901). In the headquarters at Przemysl (1901-1904), then again at Sibiu (1904-1906), Komarom (1906-1908), Budapest (1908-1910), after that moved in Tirol to work as engineer at fortifications on italian border.

He fought in ww1 from 30 july 1914, on the russian front until 1 april 1918, when he was sent with the entire brigade on the italian front. The end of ww1 found him comander of town Bolzano, Italy.

In december 1918 he entered as "şef de stat major" and aide of general of division Ioan Boeriu.

He had a son, Eugeniu, born 20 october 1896, KIA in Galiţia, 9 march 1915.

source: Traian Mager, Ţinutul Hălmagiului.

Thanks for the info, but it's still not clear what ethnicity Danila Papp actually was (if we want to talk about this topic).
At the time he was born, the area was part of Hungary. Also, the fact that his father held so high state functions makes one wonder if he was indeed member of a national minority in the country.
Further info would certainly be welcome.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on October 08, 2011 05:27 pm