Romanians vs Romanians in WWI

Hello Sebastian,
to answer you, no, the quotation is from Wikipedia. The book was only the trigger of my interest on the officer in question, of course because his german name. And the fact that a german officer could make a military career in full Soviet occupation time.
About that book, I saw it in bookstores in December last year...

About this topic, Cassian R. Munteanu, ex-k.u.k. soldier in 1914 tells in his memories about fightings between Romanians in AH army against Romanians from Banat, enlisted in Serb army.

Thank you very much Andreas. I found also the Wiki reference.

Contras: could you, please, tell me the reference (title, year, publishing house) of Cassian R. Munteanu Memoirs because on the BCU Bucuresti website I found only a book written by him, "Batalia de la Marasesti". I believe this is very interesting. I have some materials that mention the direct fights between Romanians and Romanians, but I did not know about this reference.

Thanks in advance.

If you know other references and names that mention this, I would appreciate to tell me about it.

I found it in Proba focului, vol 1, by Ion Pavelescu, Adrian Pandea and Eftimie Ardeleanu, edit. Globus, 1991. I found these references at page 311, but at the bibliography I found just the book you mentined, Batalia de la Marasesti. I'll try to find it and take a look, maybe there are mentioned these facts. Cassian Munteanu, deserted from AH army and join Romanian army. maybe he mentioned here his experiences in AH army.

Thank you very much.
There are so many spread referenced about these people and their experience such that I am thinking now to an edited book about them. It is so unpleasant that nobody cared about these people in order to edit all their experiences together. For few years I am bringing together material about these people. I am reading for few months this great forum and I think that the soldiers and officers that are fighting now in Afghanistan, or fought in Iraq, or will fight in the future in other expeditionary missions, would find a book like this very useful, especially in learning how to understand the local situation, with people broken among so many loyalties.

Besides, we still do not know enough about:

1) Romanians that fought for the Russian Imperial and Soviet armies,
2) Romanians from Bukowina that fought along the Romanians from Transylvania in the KuK.
3) Aromanians that fought in KuK, Serbian and Bulgarian armies against each other.
4) Romanians from the Ottoman army that fought against the Romanian and Russian armies in 1877-1878.
5) Romanians from the Russian Imperial army fighting against Romanians and Aromanians from the Ottoman armies.

I found few very interesting cases, such as Nicolae Iorga's grand-grandfather, Ilias Colceag, Constantin Cantemir and few others. Do you know any other names? I mentioned the case of Christian Tell, who was born in the Habsburg Empire (Brasov), enrolled in the Ottoman army, and then fought in the Russian Army, the Reglement Organique' "militia pamanteana", and then to become a string nationalist.

About Constantin Cantemir I read in a book entitled Romanii in armata imperiala rusa, there you can find many others Romanians who were serving in Tsarist army.

You can take a look at opposing situation, I think will be very interesting, about other nationalities who fought in Romanian army, not Romanians.
I remember about an Russian artillery captain mentioned by Simion Ghise in his memories, who was fighting in Kolceak army in siberia side by side with Romanian troops, and retreated with them to Vladivostok and came to Romania where he enlisted in Romanian army.
In same memories is related the case of colonel Bognatov, Romanian from Basarabia, who fought in Kolceak army and later whas imprisoned by Bolsheviks, and maybe executed, Ghise didn't know because he leaves the area.

Sorry for the late answer. Here is the info on the magazine in which my article was published. Title of article (in English): The first campaign of ARR in Hungary. 1st Part (Nov. 1918-March 1919). Hu ISSN 0238-7905, published in Dec. 1990 in Budapest.

Gen. Dénes

I don't know if he was mentioned earlier, but general Ion Dragalina (KIA in 1916 at Jiu), was born in Banat county, in Caransebes. For his biography, look here:

http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Dragalina

Has anyone here any information about the fate of Vasile Barbu and Avram P. Todor? Both were former k.u.k. officers, who from what I could determine remained loyal to the monarchy until the end of the war and later enlisted into the Royal Romanian Army. Well, Vasile Barbu at least since I have found a small note that he became a brigadier-general in the Royal Romanian Army after the war. He wrote an unpublished manuscript called "The Military History of Romanian Population in Transilyania", in which he also analyzed the status and numbers of Romanian officers in the k.u.k. Army. He writes that during the war there were three generals (Boeriu, Papp and Domasneanu), 15 colonels (Hanzu, Sandru, Ienachie, Bacila, Bihoi, Cena, Iovescu, Lugojanu, Lupu, Mataranga, Muica, Memesoiu, Bunasiu, Dr. Moga from Arad and Dr. Moga from Sibiu) and 12 lieutenant-colonels (Iacobici, Ilcusiu, Hidu, Bordan, Savu, Stroia, Barbu, M. Serb, T. Serb, Pacala, Vlad and Ivascu) in the k.u.k. Army during Great War 1914-1918. Twelve of them apparently reached the rank of general in the Royal Romanian Army, including Barbu.

For more details about this manuscript we would need someone in Alba Iulia.

I am especially interested about this Lt.Col. Vlad. I have found in my notes one Major VLAD, who commanded the IV. Battalion of the Steirischen Freiwilligen Schuetzen in 1917 on the Isonzo Front and was even recommended for the Military Order of Maria Theresia.

Also interesting would be to look into Avram P. Todor's memoirs. He served as Oblt. and Hptm in k.u.k. IR.64 during the war. I am not 100% sure whether he was accepted into the Royal Romanian Army after 1919, but he did appear to write the unpublished regimental history of k.u.k. IR.64 during 1914-1918.

Another manuscript which we will probably never laid our eyes on.

lp,

Klemen

Is the manuscript located in Alba Iulia? Did you identified exactly it's location (archive, collection, quota etc.)?

Papp is hardly a Rumanian name.

Gen. Dénes

I am just "a messenger", Dénes. Barbu says in his manuscript that there were three active officers of Romanian nationality in the k.u.k. Army who rose to the rank of general during the war: Ioan Boeriu, Gheorghe Domasneanu and Danila Papp. I only know General Boeriu, who is of course well-known because he won the MMThO.

Question No.1: Yes.
Question No.2: Kinda yes. It says "mss. neinregistrat", so I reckon one would still need to ask the archive staff for some help. But from what I could see the manuscript is an absolute stunner! It even includes detailed statistical information about the losses of Romanian regiments in World War I. But I have detailed archive signatures for Avram P. Todor's memoires, which are also kept in Alba Iulia.

Why do you ask? Are you from Alba Iulia?

lp,

Klemen

@Klemen: I am not from Alba Iulia, but I travel to it sometimes, and if it is not a time consuming activity, I might have some time to search the manuscript, if its location in Alba Iulia is known.

@Denes: Papp might be as well the magyarised named of the romanian Pop, and Danila (more corect spelled Dănilă) it is not for sure a hungarian baptism name, but for sure a romanian one, if came from Transylvania or Romania.

Of course, and Pop can be a Rumanised version of Papp. And Danila the Rumanian version of Daniel.
By the way, what I wrote is: "Papp is hardly a Rumanian name." And I stand behind this.

Anyhow, the person's individual Army file did record his ethnicity, that is the relevant document that can decide this issue from bureaucratic point of view.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on April 20, 2010 10:37 am

Hard to believe that Danila is romanised from Daniel, since Danila is more a peasant romanian name