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contras |
Posted: December 30, 2009 12:02 am
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I think it is important to us, Romanians, to take a look at the most important military action against the comunism. Hungarians had their revolt in 1956, Cechoslovakians, in 1968. But none of the new communist states after 1945 had a permanent movement of armed resistance against comunism and Red Army, just Romania. It's fight was hopeless, but heroic. In 1949, were about 1300 armed groups who fought against the new comunist rule. The last romanian partisan was killed in action in 1962 in Banat Mountains. They're thousands of brave men who fought and died for Romania. Many of these were veterans of Eastern and Western front of ww2. Colonel Uta, Arnautoiu brothers, and many of them, were romanian soldiers. They fought a real partisan fight, many times, without hope. But they fought, because their duty said so.
I had the rare privilege to meet Ion Gavrila Ogoranu in 2005, one year before he died. He was a leader of one group of anticomunist fighters in Fagaras Mountains. His memories, written in Brazii se frang, dar nu se indoiesc, are a journal of permanent fighting, day by day, against all odds. He survived, but many others, didn't. Their fight, one of the most important part of forgoten romanian history, must to be revealed to us, to these who care about true Romanian history. Because, I think, all these who fought against comunism, are our heroes, and must be treated like heroes. |
dragos |
Posted: December 30, 2009 12:33 am
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contras |
Posted: December 30, 2009 01:14 am
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Thank you, Dragos, I didn't know they're others discutions about this fact. But I think it is important to us to look again, and again, at this part of our history. Thank's, and i'm glad you had a discusion about it!
But there are many parts they're not know by the majority of Romanians! So I said before, I had the privilege to talk with Ion Gavrila Ogoranu about half an hour, alone. I cannot describe the feeeling, we spoke about Romania, about fight, about hope, about everything. And I believe their fight, their hopeless fight, will be rewarded by romanians just to keep them, the anticomunist warriors, in our memory. That is all that they wants. To remember them as lonely warriors for Romania. Before and after that discussion, I meet many veterans of ww2, many of them who fought in Caucasus Mountains, in Divizia 2 Munte, led by general Ion Dumitrache. But the most impresive meeting, for me, was with Ion Gavrila Ogoranu. |
Dénes |
Posted: December 30, 2009 09:01 am
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That statement is wrong. The Forest Brothers (or similar) in the Baltics fought against the Red Army well into the 1950s and beyond. A casual check of the internet will reveal details about their struggle against Communism and the Red Army. Gen. Dénes |
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contras |
Posted: December 30, 2009 09:19 am
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The statement is not wrong. Baltic states were comunist, occupied by Red Army before 1945.
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Dénes |
Posted: December 30, 2009 12:31 pm
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The three Baltic states were occupied by the Red Army in 1944, similarly to Rumania. Following on, they were incorporated into the USSR, but this was not generally acknowledged by the West.
The armed resistance that followed was very wide spread and powerful, and lasted well until the 1950s, as mentioned earlier. Gen. Dénes |
guina |
Posted: December 30, 2009 12:47 pm
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Also in western Ukraine,UPA fought the soviets until early fifties.And the fight was on a much larger scale then in Romania.
http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pages...surgentArmy.htm |
contras |
Posted: December 30, 2009 07:36 pm
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Ukraine was under comunist rule since 1920. There were anticomunist movements of resistance, quoted also by general Sudoplatov in his memories. Baltic states were occupied by soviets in 1940, occupied by German forces later and reocupied by soviets in 1944. I said, again, general Denes, about countries who became comunist since 1945. Point.
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guina |
Posted: December 30, 2009 08:55 pm
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Plutonier major Group: Members Posts: 339 Member No.: 1393 Joined: April 16, 2007 |
Western Ukraine was not under soviet rule "since the twenties "
Anyway,the distinction regarding 1945 is pointless,since everywere was the same thing,the fight against comunist oprssion. This post has been edited by guina on December 30, 2009 08:56 pm |
contras |
Posted: December 30, 2009 11:04 pm
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Maior Group: Members Posts: 732 Member No.: 2693 Joined: December 28, 2009 |
Western Ukraine, this one, was under Chekhoslovakian rule, between 1920 to 1939. After the dispart of Checks, in 1939, and ww2, western Ukraine become part of USSR.
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Victor |
Posted: December 31, 2009 09:20 am
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There is already an existing topic on this subject (mentioned by dragos). Please continue the discussion in there. Topic closed.
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