What's next?, next war Romanians could be part of

Going by the same rule, we should go to war with Canada and bring Boian ( http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boian,_Alberta ) back to the motherland.

Radu

I agree your point, ANDREAS. that is what I'm speaking for.

Lots of people agree with you two. That does not mean you are right.
Radu

actually it's 31%.
as i said, the others are in majority. how do you plan to convince them to "rejoin" moldavia when that's exactly something they don't want?

i'm not saying anything about "russia by all means". actually i couldn't care less. i'm all for having them decide it by themselves. be it ukraine, moldavia, russia, the only thing i'm slightly intrested in seeing is to see yet another bandit state gone.
yet, as this thread is about reunification, i'd be curious to see how others (minorities, local majorities) are to be convinced to agree and what is the backup plan if they don't.

Dead-cat, of your statement you start from the premise that the population of Transnistria has chosen the path of separation from Moldova in 1991-1992. You probably read or heard only the Russian and Transnistrian version of the conflict, since the separation had nothing to do with the will of the russian-ukrainean-bulgarian (or so) population from Transnistria. Your assumption (the will of the russian-ukrainean-bulgarian population from Transnistria) is probably correct today, but in the context of an ongoing propaganda of the terrorist regime in Tiraspol since 1992, sending the Transnistrian population to vote is unacceptable! And a free vote in the given context (the existence of this terrorist regime in Tiraspol) is inconceivable! The idea you transmitted represents the official line of Moscow from 1992 until today, and is fraudulent in essence, for reasons mentioned above! It justifies the actions taken by the terrorist regime from 1992 onwards, namely the separation from Moldova!
I apologize if I was unpolite (I don't intend to be so!), but in such issues I can't be otherwise! Hope you understand the idea!

Who says if the Transnistraians can or could be talk otherwise. ONU said they are part of Moldova. They are part of Moldova, recognised by all the world autorities.
How could they said no if Moldovan autorities would decide to unite with Romania?
This how the minority would decide about the trend of majority. It is nonsense.
How it sound if, the Turkish minority in Germany (5 million people, in a population about 50 million in RFG, 10%) would protest against union of Germans, in 1990?

kosovo used to be part of serbia,
croatia, slovenia, bosnia, macedonia and montenegro used to be part of yugoslavia.
all separated by referendum (i'm not sure about macedonia and i'm too lazy to check). federal yugoslavian authorities of course tried not to recognize that referendum, but lost control of the territory in question, which is, what happened in transnistria as well.

for one, there are no 5 million turks in germany. the number now is 1.6 million. and those are foreigners who may not vote in federal elections, thus are excluded from participation in federal politics until they are granted citizenship. a more valid comparision would be, what if saxons objected the unification. i have no idea what would have happened, as i'm not nostradamus.
then in 1990 the population of the FRG was 63 million, berlin included.

do you imply that all the russian and ukrainean population wants is to be under moldavian control again? while it is obvious that the results of the last referendum there are falsified, i'm quite far from beliving that.

it is quite obvious, that just like kosovo, transnistria is a bandit state, which shouldn't be left on its own. but that's not the issue we're talking about. right now, any posibility of regaining control would be by military means and while russia is interested in that region, this will not happen. the moldavian military is to weak, the romanian also and nato will not go to war over that and rightfully so.
as nobody can go back in time to fix things, it does not matter what was 50 years ago, only the status quo matters.

This post has been edited by dead-cat on March 04, 2010 10:31 pm

In transnistria was some referendum or elections one year ago. Who cares, or who takes to account this? Nobody, because all the world knows it means nothing.
If tomorow, somebody in Chisinau will decide to take care and to impose the law in Transnistria, how the world would react? That is the question, Shakespeare said.

most probably they'd try to look up both moldavia and transnistria on a map. then thy'd be curious how that somebody in chisinau will implement that and have a georgia deja-vu.

No, dead-cat, is it not just simple.
If tomorow, when you and me were asleep, somebody who had the power to do so, will decide to react, he will send the police troops to take care about this region. Of course, the transnistrians will react, But, conform the Constitution of Republic of Moldova, if the transnistrians do not comply, the Chisinau autorities could the military forces.
That could be the cassus beli , of couse. But it is constitutionaly correct for Moldovan autorities. It is their right to impose the autority of Chisinau gouvernment over the Transnistria, an entity never recognised by no one.

nothing new, all of it happened before. how it turned out it also well known.
which is why nobody will do anything like that in chisinau or elsewhere.
it is quite simple, it's how the term "Realpolitik" works, which i'm trying to explain.

Dead-cat I have serious doubts that Transnistria was ever or is now an true independent state. Transnistrian regime is a puppet in Moscow hands, so it's fate should be discussed with Moscow and not elsewhere! And I have serious doubts that the leadership from Chisinau has the authority to call into question such a problem now or in the near future... not to speak of being able to assert his authority in Transnistria, which is out of the question! The only solution I see possible is a more serious involvement of Romania in Moldova.

There is nothing new, everything is changed. As the war in 1992, the revolt in April 2009, all is changed. Maybe you don't see this, but everything is changed.

Dead-cat I have serious doubts that Transnistria was ever or is now an true independent state. Transnistrian regime is a puppet in Moscow hands, so it's fate should be discussed with Moscow and not elsewhere! And I have serious doubts that the leadership from Chisinau has the authority to call into question such a problem now or in the near future... not to speak of being able to assert his authority in Transnistria, which is out of the question! The only solution I see possible is a more serious involvement of Romania in Moldova.

did i say indepenedent anywhere?
everybody knows it's backed by moscow.

the only thing that would work would be to have the moldavian population emigrate. but given the economic realities of moldavia, that'd be "din lac in put".
actually, if the GDP/capita in moldova would be more than a cup of coffee, with other words, the country would be economically attractive offering citizens a real perspective, other than a rachetz career, there is a good chance that even the russians there wouldn't be very keen of the smirnov regime and things would collapse quickly.
but alas...

Actually, Transnistria and Moldova is a real safe-heaven for all the retreats from Red Army who decided to spend their retirement in moldova, or better in Transnistria, where are not some bearded cut throaten men with knives waiting from them, like in other Muslim republics like Checenia, Ingushetia or others. That is the main reason what the retirements from Red Army come to Transnistria.