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Posted: April 14, 2010 07:17 am
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QUOTE (contras @ April 13, 2010 07:55 pm)
I don't want to say something about some "conspiracy theory", but, from all NATO states, we have a startegic partnership only with US, France and Poland.
Romania and Poland are the powerfull states of "New Europe", most important allies of US in NATO.
I'm sure, until now, that the Smolensk tragedy is just a pure coincidence, but is really a blow for a NATO future containment of Russia's strategic ambitions. I believe is just a coincidence, because, if not, it can be the trigger for ww3.

We also have a SP with Italy and starting this year with Spain. Also I believe New Europe is now an obstacle in the path of improved US/German/French ties with Russia; and I doubt we are the most important allies of US in NATO.


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Posted: April 16, 2010 02:52 pm
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QUOTE (Imperialist @ April 14, 2010 12:17 pm)

Also I believe New Europe is now an obstacle in the path of improved US/German/French ties with Russia;

maybe. But do we really think Russia is in expansionist mode? I think they are mostly reacting, in traditional Russian mode, rather than engaged in some neoimperialism.

It seems to me they have enough problems what with their demographic crisis, endemic alcoholism, soaring heroin addiction, monoeconomy, pissed off "ethnic" areas, hostile former republics, underployment....the list goes on.

One hopeful sign: the nuke agreement just signed by U.S and Russia.
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Posted: April 18, 2010 09:04 pm
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maybe. But do we really think Russia is in expansionist mode? I think they are mostly reacting, in traditional Russian mode, rather than engaged in some neoimperialism.

It seems to me they have enough problems what with their demographic crisis, endemic alcoholism, soaring heroin addiction, monoeconomy, pissed off "ethnic" areas, hostile former republics, underployment....the list goes on.



Very true what you said, but Russians do not think like us. They want revenge, and they do not see their own problems, they just act, like they did in all their history. The truth is they will lose, but they must try, it is their last chance. To be a powerfull nation or to be nothing.
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Posted: April 18, 2010 10:11 pm
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They could be a prosper democratic nation, equal with others, if they just accept this. But no, they must be Superpower, equal with the americans and NATO. biggrin.gif
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Posted: April 19, 2010 08:43 am
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How can you be so sure what Russians think? Do you personally know each and everyone of the 140 million of them?
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Posted: April 19, 2010 07:40 pm
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When we say russians, of course we mean their leadership, rhe guys that we see on tv... I bet the "average Ivan" doesn't have this kind of ambition, except the old nostalgics. The normal poeple thinks mostly about how to pay the next mortgage, and when he could have the money to buy himself that nice Renault Logan or Lada Samara, whitout options. biggrin.gif
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Posted: April 20, 2010 03:51 pm
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QUOTE (Victor @ April 19, 2010 01:43 pm)
How can you be so sure what Russians think? Do you personally know each and everyone of the 140 million of them?

So, you don't think there's such a thing as popular opinion? Polling is now a science, and majority/minority beliefs, while changeable as the wind, can be determined with some precision in most places.

Historically, the Russian "people" have had very strong sentiments on their government's actions/policies, for better and worse. (cf: revolutions and wars, Europe).

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Posted: April 20, 2010 04:15 pm
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QUOTE (contras @ April 18, 2010 09:04 pm)
Very true what you said, but Russians do not think like us. They want revenge, and they do not see their own problems, they just act, like they did in all their history.

I actually had the chance to meet a few Russians across the years. They are not all that stereotypical. Funny thing is that all of them said that to them, I did not come across as what they expected the stereotypical Romanian to be. biggrin.gif

You don't want to know what they thought about the "stereotypical Romanian". biggrin.gif

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Posted: April 20, 2010 09:57 pm
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Very true what you said, but Russians do not think like us.

Contras, I disagree ...with the following statement:
Not all of them -probably the most hateful towards us are most likely those from Transnistria, Moldova and Ukraine -others maybe not! Even if I wasn't travelling in Russia itself -I met and talked with Russians, especially the middle class as tourists in Europe -and many of them, perhaps for courtesy reasons, did not have bad opinions about the Romanians, on the contrary, they know us even better than normal Westerners (French, British, Germans, Danish ...). Of course they say nothing about Bessarabia and always avoided that subject with enough elegance I say... Remember, I spoke always with cultured people, middle class, so I can't say about others...
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Posted: April 22, 2010 08:03 pm
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When we say russians, of course we mean their leadership, rhe guys that we see on tv...


Not only their leadership, but their "intelighentsia", too. Lokk at all the writtings, novels, of all the Russian authors, philosophers, from XIX siecle until today. Classics or contemoranists, all their writtings are full of "mesianic nationalism" about Russian people.
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Posted: April 23, 2010 08:37 am
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QUOTE (contras @ April 22, 2010 08:03 pm)
all their writtings are full of "mesianic nationalism"

There is nothing wrong with that. You may be describing the literature of any nation, including Romania.
It is a fertile ground and a hungry market, the perfect combination. laugh.gif

The Russian culture is rich and extremely beautiful, if you go beyond the "popular" stuff. Just like Romanian culture is superb if you manage (or obother) to go past "manele" and "Traznitii in Nato".

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Posted: April 24, 2010 07:06 pm
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Posted: April 25, 2010 07:54 pm
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QUOTE (contras @ April 24, 2010 07:06 pm)
Again, about Moldova:

http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-international-...a-sovietica.htm

Maybe he is afraid of flying there. ph34r.gif


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Posted: April 26, 2010 05:32 pm
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He came in Romania. By car.
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Posted: April 27, 2010 10:29 am
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Not a joke, but Moldovan president had all the reasons to be careful. His brother, a great patriot and a fanatic unionist, Gheorghe Ghimpu, was killed in 2000 in one car accident, in misterious conditions.
http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gheorghe_Ghimpu
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