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Posted: April 16, 2012 02:05 pm
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Maybe Mr Negrea is wrong about some points.
Other issue, look at international reactions about Mr. Cristian Negrea's novels, reactions in Russia, Ukraine, Bulgaria and Moldova online and printed press.

http://www.cristiannegrea.blogspot.com/201...iversiunea.html
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Posted: April 16, 2012 02:29 pm
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Yeah... Mr. Negrea is "selling" a "product". We live in a free world, you are free to "buy" it, and I am just as free to walk away laughing from his stall. biggrin.gif
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Posted: April 16, 2012 05:53 pm
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QUOTE (Radub @ April 16, 2012 12:33 pm)
You missed the point entirely! PRM is identical in ideology and voters to PVV.
PRM had many deputies in the Romanian Parliament on a number of occasions and was even part of the Vacaroiu government in the early-nineties. CV Tudor even ran for president.
Then the Romanians had enough of their circus and voted them out.
That is exactly what I was talking about in relation to PVV. They are in now in government. They will eventually be kicked out, just like PRM.
Lunatics may be loud, but the sane majority eventually wins.
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I understand but that doesn't mean we shouldn't criticise the fact that the PVV is influential in the Dutch Parliament. Even if it became influential through free elections. I remember how Europe was all worried about and critical of the "rise of the far right" in Romania in the early 2000s.

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Posted: April 16, 2012 06:27 pm
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As one who has read both novels of Mr. Negrea, I can only notice a common custom of the sensationalist press and many bloggers: the comment unaware of the content of the book(s)! I do not deny that reaching a sensitive issue for both Russia and Ukraine, countries who feel guilty for occupation of foreign territories (Russia/USSR)/ inhereted unjustly occupied territories (Ukraine) or military agression (Russia again) is case sensitive and cause aggressive reactions not only from their leadership! Entering the contents of both books, without criticizing them too much, I must say (without being an expert but an avid reader of military literature) that the political and the plot content of the books is successful, quite credible as this kind of literature can be, but military part is the least deficient, for not to say completely unrealistic. I don't insist on this issue, as it's not part of the topic!
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Posted: April 16, 2012 08:28 pm
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Andreas,
Is Mr Negrea's literature different in tone from his website? I never read his books, only his website.

Imperialist, in Romanian they say "rade ciob de oala sparta" in English they say "People in glasshouses should not throw stones". biggrin.gif

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Posted: April 17, 2012 07:58 am
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QUOTE (Radub @ April 16, 2012 02:33 pm)
You missed the point entirely! PRM is identical in ideology and voters to PVV.
PRM had many deputies in the Romanian Parliament on a number of occasions and was even part of the Vacaroiu government in the early-nineties. CV Tudor even ran for president.
Then the Romanians had enough of their circus and voted them out.
That is exactly what I was talking about in relation to PVV. They are in now in government. They will eventually be kicked out, just like PRM.
Lunatics may be loud, but the sane majority eventually wins.
Radu

I wouldn't say that PRM is identical in ideology and voters to PVV. PRM was never a far-right party, especially since it was manned by former DSS or DIE or DIA officers and PCR activists, who were all former Communists. This is why their speech was never a clear right wing or left wing one. They were trying to appeal to the ulta-nationalist nostalgic part of the public. They were not addressing any real problem, just the nostalgic feeling. Like C. V. Tudor they were all talk and nothing else. I would say it was just a decoy meant to bite from the voters of the center-right with the aim to strengthen the position of left. It ended when it got bigger than it was intended to and then it was basically taken out and other decoys were created (Becali's PNG for example or Diaconescu's PPDD or whatever it's called).

Unlike PRM, PVV is a party that has a clear agenda and answers a real concern of the public: large number of immigrants that don't integrate into the society or do not bring added value to it. This concern it's not unique in the Netherlands, it is also present in the UK, in France, in Germany etc. I don't think it will go away until the problem is solved and, unfortunately, the problem is already big enough to not go away in 4 years. At the way things are going right now, I suspect it will only get bigger, because it's the Eastern Europeans that are creating it. They are only a minor part of the problem. It's the radical Islamic militants that are thriving in Western Europe. IMO, PVV, Le Pen etc. are here to stay for a while.
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Posted: April 17, 2012 10:43 am
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QUOTE (Victor @ April 17, 2012 07:58 am)
They were trying to appeal to the ulta-nationalist nostalgic part of the public.

Both parties exploit nationalist feelings for their own benefit.
PRM and PVV are similar in that sense. Their "targets" are different, but in the same drive for power they use nationalism as the driving force.
Think "Funar in Cluj".
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Posted: April 17, 2012 08:51 pm
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Is Mr Negrea's literature different in tone from his website? I never read his books, only his website.

Radub, every man perceives different a book (story, movie, etc.), so that my opinion about it may be different than any other! The book fit the genre to which it belongs, I found much worse books -speaking about the script, characters, situations, etc.- therefore I appreciate it on this direction. In fact there is a character in the book, an analyst /advisor to the fictional President of Romania, which makes very pertinent analysis of the situation imagined in the book, analysis which are similar to those made ​​by Mr. Negrea website! And this analyst /advisor is not the only one -there are well shaped characters including the head of intelligence service, staff and troops officers, special forces soldiers and NCOs, which are authentic in the role assigned! The deficient side is, if you are an "medium connoisseur", the military part which is at least improbable/ without credibility! I insist on this, because being a novel that calls himself as political-military thriller, the military part should be as credible as the political/plot part, to substantiate the book!
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Posted: April 17, 2012 09:20 pm
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QUOTE (ANDREAS @ April 17, 2012 08:51 pm)
The deficient side is, if you are an "medium connoisseur", the military part which is at least improbable/ without credibility! I insist on this, because being a novel that calls himself as political-military thriller, the military part should be as credible as the political/plot part, to substantiate the book!

So, it is pretty much the same as his website. A lot of the stuff there is improbable, exaggerated and sensationalised.
I see no problem with "fiction" or "novels". But it is scary to see how many people take Dan Brown seriously. biggrin.gif
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Posted: April 17, 2012 10:13 pm
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Rabub, I'm agree with you only partially, about some possible scenarios that Mr. Negrea imagine (which in time may prove real or just unproved speculations!), because at least in some of his earlier analysis about Russia and the leadership of this powerful country (for us at least!) his opinions are not singular and surely no superficial!
I was suspecting him sometimes of links with "specialist" on "Eastern affairs" (I can tell you f.i. that I found in some newsletters of Stratfor which I received later than his posts, similar views as he posted!) but I think I have overestimated his analysis sometimes! But the man must not be annulled to for some questionable opinions (even wrong!), in fact everyone makes mistakes sometimes! I, at least, will read on his posts, passing them through the filter of my knowledge and readings, and following whether they be confirmed or not in reality!
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Posted: April 18, 2012 08:05 am
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I am not dismissing him overall. Equally, I do not take everything he says as Gospel either. I said it before in this thread and I say it again: enter his site with an open mind and avoid the traps that he lays.

We mentioned nationalism and populism above. He uses these manipulation tools too, and he has a dedicated audience that love that kind of stuff. He is a "popa care predica corului de maicute".

Here is a question: Think of a song that is number 1 in the music charts. Is it No.1 because it is good or is it good because it is No. 1?
Is Mr Negrea good because many people like him or do many people like him because he is good?"

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Posted: April 18, 2012 07:44 pm
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Radub, my answer to your question is the obvious one: if the music gives me satisfaction, I like it whether it's at No. 1 on the charts or is not even in top 100! I like it and no comments about it! Same situation applies to Mr. Negrea articles: some like them, others not! But there is a problem when you get as reference the views expressed by Mr. Negrea (or somebody else) in these (or other) articles! You (as a person) should always take into account opinions which contradict the arguments that you like to believe, if you want to be informed person, and not a influenced one! At least so I think it's good for everyone!
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Posted: April 19, 2012 09:02 pm
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ANDREAS,

I agree with many of your points about Mr. Negrea's novels, and I agree that some military issues aren't accurate, but I believe he made it so to increase the drama of the fighting. F. e., no one would stay with infantry against tanks, but it is more heroic for the plot and is more dramatic, IMO.
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Posted: April 21, 2012 05:47 pm
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At least to mr. Negrea someone outside Romania had a reaction...in comparison with many others....And you know the saying: no one hits a dead dog wink.gif
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Posted: April 22, 2012 04:24 pm
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Contras,
to be honest, I haven't been bothered about the scenes of heroic resistance of romanians from the book, actually very few if I remember well, but the major errors in the organization and equipment of the Ukrainian army, their use of weapons, tactics a.o.. What bothers me is that Mr. Negrea would have had to know many such elements at a basic level, having available informations from wikipedia (at least) sufficient for a realistic perspective of the military chapters of descriptions from the book. And if the military part (battle descriptions, armament and troops deployments, a.o.) would have been more realistic, the book could have been, in my opinion, a really good one for this kind! But maybe in his future books, Mr. Negrea will take into consideration these elements too!
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