What's next?, next war Romanians could be part of

Imperialist, it is precisely this inability of yours to see that Russia is capable of terrible things that I was referring to. What good would be your scepticism if they turned out to be bad? I think it is better to "prepare for worst and expect the best"
Radu

I am able to understand but this conflict would not pan out in such an apocalyptic way. Russia would try to win the conflict in Moldova, not expand it by bombing us back to the stone age. If the conflict in Moldova turns out to be a major headache for Moscow and it starts acting increasingly menancing towards us then we could conceivably lower our involvement. But that means we actually did do something, even if only for a while. And that's different from not being able to do anything.

I go with the saying "If you think you are too small to make a difference, try sleeping with a mosquito" than with "we are too small to do anything."

We disagree on this and that's fine, we don't have to have the same views; so we will have to agree to disagree.

Happy Holidays!

That is a lot of "ifs" to align in a neat row.
Radu

Not more than you yourself used here:
http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?sh...indpost&p=91473

This post has been edited by Imperialist on April 19, 2014 09:03 am

Not the same thing. Not even close.
Radu

You guys sound a little bit like it's Romania alone vs the Russian hordes?

Would this add some perspective to the discussion (from Jane's Defense Weekly)? :

http://www.janes360.com/images/assets/125/...m_source=Eloqua


(current overview of NATO air assets in E.Europe)

In the meantime the Government plans to increase the military budget this year with around 155M EUR. The money will most likely be used for overhauling of the existing equipment and myabe some upgrades. The good thing is that most of the money will be spent in Romania (zf.ro quotes Aerostar, IAR Brasov and Avioane Craiova that all have been notified about the orders the military will put). However, 155M is a lot of money and more than surpasses the costs for the existing MiG-21, IAR-99 and IAR-330 overhaulings. The money will probably also go to the ground forces and maybe the navy.

The funding for the military is said to increase the following years. Like usual, we are getting ready just before midnight.

Apparently the Canadians will also send 6 CF-18 to Romania.

Actually, that diagram shows what Romania can "bring" to NATO. Everyone can provide planes. Romania can only provide air bases. "Sitting duck"
Radu

This new Russia vs. West "clash of wills" has a worse starting point for Russia, from a geographical perspective. To reach Donetsk area and the other zones at the same longitude, the Axis already lost 2 million people in the process – losses before the actual starting point at Stalingrad.
Now that longitude is the starting point …

Considering the geographical location of Romania, "only provide air bases" matters a lot.
In WWII whole countries and campaigns were lost for not having air bases when and where needed.
I know, Ukraine is an even better air base, but it is more in the "enemy range", and the best placed airfields are in the least secure areas.

Considering the geographical location of Romania, "only provide air bases" matters a lot.
In WWII whole countries and campaigns were lost for not having air bases when and where needed.
I know, Ukraine is an even better air base, but it is more in the "enemy range", and the best placed airfields are in the least secure areas.

All iy takes is a well placed bomb to "disable" a runway. Romania is also within Russia's range.
Radu

Actually, that diagram shows what Romania can "bring" to NATO. Everyone can provide planes. Romania can only provide air bases. "Sitting duck"
Radu

The map shows what the NATO allies brought in the border countries. It does not show the already existing forces, like the Polish F-16s and MiG-29s stationed in Poland, the Slovakian MiG-29s, the Hungarian JAS-39s, the Romanian Lancers. In fact, the current crisis has been good for the Romanian pilots, who are now flying a lot more than they used to: http://actmedia.eu/daily/mig21-lancer-mili...is-period/51801 and http://www.usafe.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123407009. So no, Romania it's bringing just air bases to NATO. It's bringing also planes, for the moment.

Considering the geographical location of Romania, "only provide air bases" matters a lot.
In WWII whole countries and campaigns were lost for not having air bases when and where needed.
I know, Ukraine is an even better air base, but it is more in the "enemy range", and the best placed airfields are in the least secure areas.

All iy takes is a well placed bomb to "disable" a runway. Romania is also within Russia's range.
Radu

I am not arguing...
Big countries design airplanes will long ranges.

It is good to see that the pilots are getting more training. More than anything else, Romania needs more pilots and more training planes. Combat planes can be obtained if needed, but pilots are not that easy to get.
Radu