Wili Mosor discovered the wrecks of an ww2, WELLINGTON

This is the something normal for our country. They don't let you take it out becouse you''ll distroy it but they let it there to rust....

Please post some fotos for us...the ones that are wondering the battlefields for relics.

This post has been edited by seeker on June 12, 2012 07:30 pm

Ye, and don't forget your promise to show us picture with the propeller metal blade

It's important to know what other planes crashed in Comana. A metal piece in your courtyard with no identity will be a lost cause for you and your father

It is normal in any country.
If there are human remains, then it is a "war grave" and you need a permit. If there are explosives (bullets, bombs, etc) you will never even get a chance to apply for a permit before the army makes everything "safe". In the overwhelming majority of cases, the army simply carries out a "controlled explosion" to get rid of old and unstable explosives. That causes more damage. Even if you have a permit and you come across explosives, you must stop and call the army. From that point your permit is no longer valid. Handling explosives is illegal - only specialised, trained and authorised personnel is allowed to handle explosives. This is not an infringement of anyone's rights or freedoms.
Most of the times it is safer for everyone to leave those things alone. There is nothing but scrap metal there anyway. And rumour is that Mr. Mosor was only looking for scrap metal to sell, there was no archaeological interest there. And this is where the "problem" is: no archaeological records were taken. We are no smarter now than we were before the dig. Had he taken careful records, drawings, photos, no one would have complained.
Radu

This post has been edited by Radub on June 13, 2012 11:04 am

How can the "specialists" tell if there are human remains in a relic that you find at the bottom of a lake before you take it out?
I see it simple...you take the relics out, declare that you found remains and you burry them properlly with cross in a cemetery. And if i will find dogtags i see it even more simple....i call at the embassy of the country and anounce them. Thy will come next day, i assure you.

How can the "specialists" tell if there are human remains in a relic that you find at the bottom of a lake before you take it out?
I see it simple...you take the relics out, declare that you found remains and you burry them properlly with cross in a cemetery. And if i will find dogtags i see it even more simple....i call at the embassy of the country and anounce them. Thy will come next day, i assure you.

There is no "generic rule" about "war graves". Each case is different. But when you find human remains during a dig at a crash site the situation changes. You must contact the authorities immediately and follow their instructions. You cannot unearth remains and bury them elsewhere just like that. That is irresponsible and undignified.

You missed my point entirely. There is nothing wrong with "digging" as such as long as the findings are properly documented and recorded. These items have a very definite historic value. Keeping records makes all the difference between "archaeology" and "looting".

Radu

Radu, i'm not missing your point. Normal is like you have said. But when the situation is like it is, actual graves and monuments are not being preserved, what can you expect from athorities? I said that if i'll ever found ...... for example a IAR80 with the pilot inside...i will make all legall actions for the pilot to be burried properlly. And the aircraft relics i'll sell tehm to you. )


Anyway, Mr Mosor please post some pictures with your fathers work!



This post has been edited by seeker on June 14, 2012 07:48 am

The "authorities" are not the only ones responsible for preserving and maintaining monuments and graves. "People" have responsibilities too!

In as far as I know (and I spoke to people who were there) the digging in Comana lake was stopped by the authorities when bombs were discovered. It was not an abuse by the authorities.

If you find human remains, no matter the circumstances, my avice is to contact the authorities before you go any further.

Radu

Did you read what i've written above? And ofcourse i will follow your "avice"
But first let me find the IAR 80....

Did you read what i've written above? And ofcourse i will follow your "avice"
But first let me find the IAR 80....

No chance! All I.A.R.80 lost in Romania were recovered and all pilots fallen in Romania were buried properly. SSA and IAR Brasov were very fastidious in recording, reporting and recovering all losses. There may be some remains in Russia or Slovakia.

Radu

Are you sure?

There is an IAr in Brates.
With the pilot inside and no armament.

No, there is no IAR in the Brates. I have photos of the recovered wreck. The photos are from the official report that still exists in Pitesti archives. The pilot was buried.
This story has no foundation. Brates is extremely shallow and recovery was easy. Furthermore,the plane crashed close to the shore. The accident photos show the plane inverted among reeds, well above water level.

Seeker, I am sure. ;-) I would love it very much if you found one.

Radu

Nr 401's fate please?

This out of topic and is polluting the thread.
Maybe you should open a separate thread about IAR80 crashes - that may be a long one.
Radu

Ok. I wait for Mr Mosor to animate the topic with some pictures.....