IAR80 flying again?, project or fantasy?

Yes. There were are currently two IAR-80 replicas, none of which is 100% accurate or able to fly.

The first one is in the National Military Museum and was built prior to 1989.
The second one (the one mentioned on Wikipedia) is at the Aviation Museum.

Red Baron,
I gave you an answer very early in this thread. I repeat: There is a lot of talk, but nothing concrete. Others as well as I explained what is needed. Nothing changed since then. I will see how I can sketch a drawing to help you understand, because words seem to fail to adequatley explain it to you.

You speak of "mentality", but all we see here is nothing but the usual "mentalitate de milog", the perennial Romanian "sa se-ism". You want "sa se faca", "sa se dea", etc. You want this and that to be done, but let someone else do it, let whatever you desire appear fully-formed like Aphrodite out of sea foam. Let someone else put the effort in. Let someone else make it happen.

Look, you, in your lucid and intelligent assessment of the situation, already pointed out how to build a flying IAR80 (it seems that all you need is "mentality") and who has the money (some kind of Dorobanti playboy driving a babe-magnet). So, why don't YOU go and raise this money from these generous philatropists and build the IAR80 with your "mentality" and then show us what's what! I bet Hungary will crack at the seams with envy. But what am I saying? I will crack with envy!

Radu

The topic is not locked, because it has not yet completely derailed from the initial subject of the IAR-80 flying replica.

It does not disturb me that you consider that we, as a nation, are lacking mentality. It's your opinion. I disagree, but this topic is not the place to discuss the subject. What bothers me is that you are sticking to your war crimes denial act in a topic that has no link with the subject. Admittedly, you are slick enough to say it in an indirect manner.

Getting back to the flying IAR-80 topic, I would also like to know if there is actually a group working on such a project, of course if the people involved want to talk about it.

Hi Victor,
No, there is no "group" and nothing conccrete. There is just a lot of talk. Thankfully, some of this talk is actually done by people who know what they are talking about. Some people who care a lot about the IAR have been talking about the logistics involved for quite a while.
This has been discussed here also http://www.aripiromanesti.ro/forum/viewtopic.php?p=58775
There is also this: http://www.aero-design.ro/documents/ro_iar80.html
Radu

Yes, that is the point.

I was asking about the IAR because I read somewhere "something" and couldnt remember where exactly.
Anyway, if there will be a plan (like a real plan with concrete data and serious approach), of course I would like to support it, in any way I can. That was the point of me asking.
I thought there was already a group (its all I remember reading) that approached this project and wanted to see where they were and how I could support them, if any. I have a particular fascination about this plane, I am not an expert on it, but I just love it. And many foreigners also love this plane and that is not wishful thinking on my behalf.

If we have the expertise (plans) but we lack only money (we as in generally speaking), I think it could be done. Again - wishful thinking many will say... yeah well. Thats how some of the Mustangs still fly with "wishful thinking" groups of people.

I find it great we still have all the needed data about this plane. At least... its not lost all together.

PS= I do not deny war crimes / I do not accept us being blamed for what we did not do and/or being trampled under foot. I think all nations involved in ww2 had their own war crimes, so RO is not an exception. But from there... to... its a long long way...

This post has been edited by RedBaron on December 10, 2010 05:25 pm

RedBaron, I think all of us would like to see an IAR 80 taking off one day. However, we must realize we live in a world that can't make many of our dream possible. Your comparison with the US Mustang being fielded again is way off. US has a long tradition of reenactment and they have achieved this through many generations, while we are struggling to find the meaning of democracy 20 years since an idiotic dictator was murdered only to be replaced by "human-faced" communists who turned the country into the muddy corruption we all know nowadays. Moreover, we find ourselves into an economic crisis that escaped the grasp of our leading class. Such kind of projects cannot be realized in an environment like this. It simply lacks the culture one state finds in a stable and durable government, government in the literary sense, in order to avoid the term "democracy" in which I don't believe anymore myself. In my opinion, with all the enthusiasm involved, I don't believe a physical flying IAR 80 will be constructed ever, but who knows what the so fast developing technology will bring us in the future?

Well, I agree with all you said. May I add:

I want to believe that if an approach to this existed at some point (not necessarily now) - say to have this project literally fly one would need XXX-k euros (to avoid a random number), then maybe with an adequate strategy these funds could be gathered. But of course such a project has never been done in RO and it would actually involve more than building a flying replica as accurate as possible. What I want to say is that money are important, but not the main factor. As you pointed out more elegantly, there is a lack of... culture, I call it mentality in my populist speech.

I realize that in what I believe for some can sound funny, since our Air Force MAY AS WELL FLY the IAR81... that wouldnt be too much inferior to the 21 LanceR

As to the economic crisis, imo RO has its very own crisis that has little to do and/or is remotely connected to this so called world ec. crisis. I dont think the leading class ever held any control on any crisis, so... yes, I dont believe too much in RO democracy either, but probably this is a another topic. What I dont understand is how will they "jump-start" the economy back on? With what Anyway...

IAR80/81 is not a dead horse. She will fly... we just need the right context

"Este invins numai cine se da invins"

This post has been edited by RedBaron on December 12, 2010 02:19 pm

Before we start making plans about flying with an IAR 80, we must I think treid to find as many parts as posible from the original IAR 80, better spent money first in reserch about those parts, even if are all most imposible to find. Every known crush site of an IAR 80 mast be investigated in Romania , Russia, Black Sea, etc. This cost time and many off cors but if we want to do something for aour military history and for IAR 80 fighter this is wat I think first we shud do. About making a IAR 80 flying again it is not imposible even that we dont have no plans of the original aircraft . we need allot of money and time.

You have a good point here.
Even the FW 190 build at Bacau had some pieces measured from original WW2 . Personally I saw (in the factory) the original fuselage upper cowling (stamped with Swastica) used to manufacture the aluminum block ( for sheet -press).
Sure there are many IAR80 pieces in Ukraina and Rusia to collect for such a purpose.

It looks like the rumours came through
Lt. Ali Baba, Istanbul airbase, Turkish Royal Air Force, summer '45.



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This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on December 17, 2010 08:37 am

Such a project can develop only if certain people do come together in forming an organized group. There must a common effort, with people with the appropriate technical/practical knowledge for all domains involved in such a project. Its important to understand that nobody will throw with $ or Euro at you just because... A budget can be created and attracted if you have a clear line of approach. Of course, it isnt easy, but neither was launching rockets to the moon, to joke a little.

If someone would consider approaching such a venture thinking he/she knows/can do everything, what lacks are money, it would be a failure from the start. This not unlikely because we know some think that they know everything without any reserve.

So, in the end I did not find out who and where is this group of people that came with the idea. This idea was only a means of playing with fantasy or somebody has in fact some kind of starting point (maybe the plans of the aircraft)?

I would launch a question, just for the fun of it: could someone forward an educated guess for the budget of such a project? Theoretically speaking.

It is clear that the plane would have to be built from scratch, hence, for the sake of the discussion, it would be a flying replica as close as possible to the original. Probably some compromise must be done, I doubt all pieces could be replicated as in the original.

"vreau sa am si eu un colt de cer si sa fie doar al meu"

This post has been edited by RedBaron on December 17, 2010 10:47 am

I am wondering if this Lt. Baba was a relative of his namesake featured in a famed tale.

Gen. Dénes

P.S. I was not aware that Turkey was a Kingdom in 1945!

This post has been edited by Dénes on December 17, 2010 11:14 am

It looks like the rumours came through
Lt. Ali Baba, Istanbul airbase, Turkish Royal Air Force, summer '45.

most helpful addition to our topic. did you went to extensive length to provide us with this documentation?

Yes, I have serched many hours at the Osman Archivs from Istanbul.
Btw. there is still controversial in archiv documents to name the Turkish air forces in WW2.
TRAF ( Turkish Royal Air Forces) or OAF ( Osman Air forces)

C-mon Red Baron you started with a joke.

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on December 17, 2010 12:31 pm

It was a honest question and not being fully documented on the matter I addressed it here. Irony has its purpose, though it wasnt the case now, since there are many that sustain (lacking facts) that the IAR80 arrived somehow in Turkey.