Well made film, When you have gun control....

It's mostly Romanian and Hungarian now, as there aren't that many Germans left unfortunately.

You forgot to mention gypsies.

It is clear now, thanks. It should have been obvious for me too.

I agree with your PS.

A slight difference exist, I think. While I am not aware for Romanian radio channels to use "bozgor" in their broadcasting, radio broadcasting from Hungary was using in 1939...1940 "budos olah" quite often. I agree with you that "stupid and incult people, easily influenced by daily politics, exist everywhere" on all sides, but when official radio channels lower themselves to this, it is actually like a slap over their face, not to their target.

Now I got into this, instead of staying in sidelines. As I got involved, I have another one:
There was a case of a pregnant Romanian woman being impelled through her uterus with a cart's pole by some Hungarians. It was mentioned in at least one Romanian book, and people may ask themselves if it was a true story. Not only it was real, but she happened to be the niece of Nazarica Balaneanu, who was the landlord of my grandparents and my mother when they were tenants in Zalau, Salaj county.

I am optimistic regarding a common peaceful future for all nations belonging to the European Union, but I do not see anything wrong in remembering and reminding real things happening in the past.

This post has been edited by Florin on March 04, 2011 03:53 am

What's the point of your post, Florin? It is not related to the topic and only incites more hard feelings. I was happy that the thread finally died down, now it's on again...

I am not knowledgeable of pre-war Hungarian radio broadcast, but I am sure there was anti-Hungarian propaganda broadcast by the Rumanian radio, too. Those were the times.

Also, Rumanians committed crimes against Hungarian civilians both in 1918/1919 and 1944. These were all detailed in a separate thread.

Please, stick to the topic and post only facts proven with documents, so we can debate them (if worthy of debate).

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on March 03, 2011 06:38 am

Can you give me the thread, please? Thank you.

I gave it already earlier. Check the thread.
Or, just do a search in topic titles, with keywords like rumanian/romanian and hungarian war crimes, attrocities, genocide, etc.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on March 03, 2011 12:40 pm

And I was expecting to have some constructive talks about gun control.......

Conclusion of the thread would be: don't allow guns, bad things will happen...

Just joking. I think that all the issues touched are now things of the past, we are all now europeans.

This post has been edited by Hadrian on March 03, 2011 10:45 pm

I agree, now we are all European_.

This post has been edited by Florin on March 04, 2011 03:48 am

What I ment was the fact that if romanians had arms either the hungarian soldiers wouldn't do those acts or some fighting could take place.
In bouth cases things were better:Romanians fighting for their lifes,hungarians couldn't be accused of killing unarmed civilians .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1geyoxeifk0

This post has been edited by C-2 on March 04, 2011 07:00 am

If the defense of the natural ethnic borders of a nation (the romanian nation) can be interpreted as an anti-Hungarian propaganda, then of course you are right! So it was probably!

Rumania's current western territorial limits are no natural or ethnic borders.

The natural and ethnic borders of the Rumanian nation to the West is the Tisza/Tisa River (and the Dnestr to the East). Remember Eminescu? "De la Nistru pin' la Tisa, tot romanu plinsu mi-sa" (or similar, I quoted by heart).

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on March 05, 2011 07:57 am

In the past some say that existed far more developed romanian comunities in some areas in the space between nowadays romanian west frontier and Tisa (Theiss), even if they were not such big and such numerous as in actual Transylvania, Banat and Crisana. This comunities participated to 1 December 1918 gathering from Alba Iulia ("din Transilvania, Crişana şi părţile ungureşti"). Today, they are almost vanished. I dont know if the myth of romanian frontier "până la Tisa" was actually true or it was only romanian propaganda.

The idea of "romanian" Cadrilater I know it was a romanian myth, as Cadrilater was never romanian, even if it consisted some percent of romanian ethnics (small percent, and they might consider themselves not romanians, but aromanians or "machedoni"). For sure, Cadrilater was bulgarian province and romanians just took it in 1913 and developed the myth of it being romanian. A stupid propaganda, which has echoes even today. Some romanian consider Cadrilater as a lost romanian province and when I was in trip there, I heard a lot of romanians saying to bulgarians that they have to learn romanian, as Cadrilater was or is romanian soil. I was quite disturbed by this kind of atitude as I was thinking how my ancestors were forced to learn hungarian in Transylvania. On the same time, during other trips in Bulgarian Cadrilater, there were people aproaching us and speaking voluntarily to us in an old fashion and bad romanian. Asking them if they were romanians, they suddenly shut up and didnt answer, even their initial aproach was very friendly and open. They were most probably of romanian origin, but feared to declare so.

You did not quote the proclamation properly. The actual quote is: "romanii din Transilvania, Banat si Tara Ungureasca". (Rumanians from Transylvania, Banat and The Hungarian Lands). The latter term (Hungarian Lands) actually referred to the area West of geographical Transylvania (i.e., beyond the Western Carpathian Mountains), most probably as far as the River Tisza/Tisa/Theiss.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on March 05, 2011 11:54 am