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yugit |
Posted: July 05, 2011 08:46 am
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I would appreciate an expert opinion on who shot down
Adj Av.Codruz on his HE-112B in June 41. At page 15 Aviazia Romana in WW2 by Robanescu, he states that he was shot down by Kozachenko near Bolgrod as leader of 249 IAP. Kozachenko never led the 249 but WWII Russian aces website repeating the claim. Reliable Russian sources indicating that Codruz was shot down by M.S.Maximov which may or may have not been with Kozachenko in formation. Also I need some clarity on Agarici 3 DB-3's claim, was it on June 23rd or June 25th ? were these DB-3 or SB-2's at what airfield in Russia the 3rd damaged bomber land and what was the Russian pilot name who crash landed near Mamaia and was taken POW along with the crew ? Thanks This post has been edited by yugit on July 05, 2011 08:47 am |
Petre |
Posted: July 08, 2011 04:57 pm
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yugit |
Posted: July 09, 2011 01:30 am
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Petre
According the Russian OBD Archives Nikiforov was KIA on June 23,41 while flying for 3 URAP (40 AP) on a DB-3 and not in June 24th...I have complete records of all BMF 4th Fleet pilots KIA in Romania between June 23rd and Oct 1941...If I'd know for sure when Agarici claimed his SB's or DB's I could then tell the pilot names he brought down. Thanks This post has been edited by yugit on July 09, 2011 01:34 am |
Petre |
Posted: July 09, 2011 02:22 pm
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The day is June 23.
http://srpo.ru/forum/index.php?topic=12135.15 |
Victor |
Posted: July 10, 2011 07:31 am
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yugit |
Posted: July 10, 2011 09:43 am
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Petre Thank you for your input..I was aware about Agarici articles on here...as into the Russian Aviation site Yelena_Tom is my wife and she is writting on my behalf in Russian as I don't speak well Russian. As of yet no one can tell a reliable date when Agarici brought down the 3 URAP ( 40 AP ) pilots while there are Russian sources citing that in reality he brought only one down and not DB but SB. Additionally the SG2 books I have at my end seems confused about the score date. Best Regards This post has been edited by yugit on July 10, 2011 08:27 pm |
Dénes |
Posted: July 11, 2011 05:43 am
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Lt. av. Horia Agarici took off on 23 June at 06:15 a.m. All three wreckages of the SBs downed by him were identified on the ground. You can see him posing near one of his victims, No. 6, on page 26 of my aforementioned book. Gen. Dénes |
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yugit |
Posted: July 11, 2011 09:22 am
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Denes
According Agarici , he gave an interview on Radio or TV during his life time which is available on Internet. He stated that he saw two DB's going down ( one still carrying his complete ordonance diving into the sea ) and the other crash landed at a weapon range near Mamaia. 3rd one made an emergency landing at Bolgrad. Pse clarify again regarding your remark on the 3 wreckages . As into your books I guess you reffered from Barbarosa to Odessa, if thats the case,then is still its on its way to me. Your second is no longer available at Amazon Thank you This post has been edited by yugit on July 11, 2011 09:27 am |
Cantacuzino |
Posted: July 11, 2011 11:05 am
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The best source are the archivs documents and the after combat reports. Usually the memories of people are not so precise after some years. |
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yugit |
Posted: July 11, 2011 11:42 am
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ABSOLUTELY, I fully agreed with you. Best Regards |
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Antoniu |
Posted: July 12, 2011 09:19 am
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About these episodes in military archives we find the following information:
June 23-1941 Gr.5 Vt. He-112 plane piloted by Adj.av.Codrut Anghel No.12, Group 5 Hunt, 23.V.1941 day fell from Bulgaria. During accompaniment bomber formations on land in Bulgaria, the plane is hit by ACA He.112 No.12 and burned. In subsequent research made by fleet settled on these: -to see the opening the parachute, but it did not work normally and the pilot dies zdorbindu the ground. Esc.53 Vt. "Hurricane." Early morning, when we present the airport, we find that the Bolsheviks attacked Constanta and ordered to leave for the time he turned it apara.Intrucit completely make all preparations and departure by 13 hours off the mother. Just landed and alarms are held chain. Bolsheviks seek at all costs to destroy the port, but hunters are only frustrate them palnurile air. A German squadron arrived to strengthen and From now we begin a real loss for Russia. Lt.Av. Horia Agarici which remained in constant repair the plane or until the squadron coming in Buzau, attacking a formation of six aircraft, managed to beat three of them. Pilots do not know what is barely time to rest and feed their planes to start again. By night they had 12 alarms each squadron pilot doing cite 5 outputs in a single day.German comrades manage to break the three planes and fliers on the same day breaks our five planes, Cpt.Av.Georgescu Emil breaks one (Approved O.Zi.Nr.11/18.11.1941) Horia Lt.Av.Agarici breaks three (approved O. Day Nr.11/18.11.1941) and Adj.Stag. Av. Popescu C-tin breaks one. (Approved O. Day Nr.11/18.11.1941). My apologies for quality translation. |