Help for identification, FW190 crashed in Mureş county

1 Engine Valve(supapa)
2. engine fuel injector(not sure but looks like one)

great findings!
were you there with an MD? you need help with a MD?

I can tell with absolure certainty that the remains are from a Messerschmitt Bf.109G. Denes, Cantacuzino, you can take it from here...

This part is from the engine cowl, just behind the exhausts.


Here is a photo of the "real thing"

(photo from "109 Lair")


This is the carrier rack for the drop tank.


Here is a photo of the "real thing"

(photo from "109 Lair")

HTH
Radu

Ok, Radub! Thanks for the images for documentation! Now, can anybody to identify the pilot and the circumstances when he was downed?

If it indeed was a Bf 109, then it could have also fallen on 31 August 1944, just like the P-51 mentioned earlier.

Gen. Dénes

Denes, can you identify who was the pilot and his story? Did he survived?

On August 31,1944 there were 4 P-51 of the 52nd FG lost at Reghin and
I seriously doubt that your findings have something to do with the 4 P-51's
lost overthere. Other than that there were no other P-51's losses in Rumania
on Aug 31,44.

This post has been edited by yugit on August 02, 2011 12:14 pm

From the below link:

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/archive/index.php?t-4358.html



On August 31,1944 an element of six Bf-109G of II/JG-52 led by Hptm Helmut Lipfert and including Lt. Foennekold attacked the 52nd FG which was attacking an airfield. The Bf-109s shot down 4 P-51s but lost 5 Bf-109s,the only survivor being Hptm Lipfert,who claimed one P-51.

The German dead are listed as:
Uffz Heinz Krah, Ofhr. Nikolaus Schroder, Lt. Hans Otto Junge, Uffz Fritz Zaubitzer, and Lt. Otto Foennekold.

Thanks, Cantacuzino!

Might the remains of the 109 be one those 5 loses during 31 august or might be from another fight/incident?

LE: to yugit - it is not me who find that remains of german plane, but a guy I know.

This post has been edited by 21 inf on August 02, 2011 01:21 pm

It could be one of the Bf 109 from this fight. Anyway from the five Bf 109 you should take out the one of Fonnekold because the plane landed intact.

Did your friend found the pieces deep in the ground ?

This post has been edited by Cantacuzino on August 02, 2011 01:59 pm

I dont know, I will ask. It is sure the plane exploded, judging by the 13 and 20 mm cartriges found, all blown up.

Are there any written reports of a 109 crashed in that area?

Cantacuzino

you are absolutely right, for the sake of my own research
and from your own data bases and your gathered information
will you pse. confirm the events at Reghin as folowing :

Frazier was shot down by Fonnenkold
Davis as above
Carlson was damaged by Lipfert and bailed out over Yugo
Tomnlinson by Hartmann or Lipfert

According my determination Fonnenkold was shot down by
Cobbey who killed him point blank while landing for
refuelling purposes. Also pse advise from what bombing
mission in Russia Rudel was returning on that day .

Pse confirm !


Thank you !

This post has been edited by yugit on August 02, 2011 05:31 pm

Ok, so it's sure a Mess 109, not a FW190 as Radub said at the begining?

Since this discussion started, I became more curious about who's plane was this and what was the fate of the pilot.

The full story of the August 31, 1944 air battle over Reghin/Szaszregen/Sachsisch Regen was published also in Rumanian, in Aeromagazin, authored by yours truly.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on August 02, 2011 08:07 pm

It is a Messerschmitt Bf.109 for sure. There is nothing there to indicate a FW190.
I never said with any certainty that it was a FW190... I said that some parts looked as if they might have been from a FW190, but I quickly changed my mind when I saw the drop tank carrier rack.
Radu

@Denes: thanks for the info and congratulations for the article, I wasnt aware about the article and the magazine pointed! I dont want to be annoying, but can you identify the pilot, please? I relly on your great knowledge about aviation, as you know that I am completelly parallel with this domain. My interest is purely because of curiosity and for the sake of the story.

@Radub: I know that you didnt said for sure it is a FW190, you just said that some remains are typical for this kind of aircraft, so, as saying above, I am parallel with the aviation, so I wanted to be sure that I understand with no doubt that the plane was a Bf109, not a FW190.

Thanks to all contributors, I am waiting for the identification of the pilot and the story of crashing if it is posible and if you are so kind to do it!

LE> @Cantacuzino: Uffz Heinz Krah is listed WIA, not KIA on 31 august 1944 and DOW (I dont know what means this) in 8 september 1944, acording to this source>http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com/Kracker/LuftwaffeGermanPilotsK.html Can we eliminate the posibility of his plane (except he bailed out and didnt piloted his plane to the ground)?

Nikolaus Schroder and Zaubitzer are not listed. An Otto Junge from JG52 is listed, but with no info about 1944 year.

This post has been edited by 21 inf on August 02, 2011 09:52 pm