1st December 1918, how it was made the union with Romania

21 Inf,
Actually NO, it has been amply demonstrated that this had absolutely nothing to do with a "referendum". And most of the evidence of the contrary has been provided by you.

It is evident that you think that such a "grand" event needs a "grand" label. It is also evident that you think that "referendum" is such a "grand" word as a symbol of "democracy". "Referendums" have nothing to do with democracy, they were used by all kinds of forms of government, from the cruelest dictatorships to what may appear to be democracies.

You can paint a Dacia Solenza red and decorate it with a prancing horse, and you may even manage to convince a few that you have a Ferrari, but the majority of the people will see it for what it is. Calling it a "referendum" is the same thing.

What happened on 1 December was a "proclamation". You may think that this word is not "powerful" enough. But the concept of "proclamation" goes back to the Roman Empire and is powerful enough.

Radu

Outstanding judgment, breath-taking example. Dude, you should really improve your Wikipedia search skills or find some alternative sources. A bit of formal logic won't hurt either. I'm also out of this mockery of a discussion.

This post has been edited by Agarici on December 23, 2011 12:15 am

I agree with Agarici,
in this regard please read the following comment that talks also about the Austro-Hungarian electoral system:
http://www.zoltech.net/h/portrait.html

The comparison with Austria-Hungary is useful because Hungary led by Mihaly Karolyi had continued the policy of defunct Austro-Hungarian Monarchy, to maintain the integrity of the Hungarian State! Read this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mih%C3%A1ly_K%C3%A1rolyi

Play the ball not the player.

I have no idea why you keep referring me to Wikipedia. My "source" is my law professor. What is your "source"? I do not know anything about your credentials or even your education, but I studied constitutional law and as it happens I know exactly what a "referendum" is. I explained it clearly. Where did you explain it? Instead of giving explanations you mock?

Looking at the "new book in my library" thread, 21Inf has tens upon tens of books about 1 December. All he nees to do is to scan the poster, leaflet, invitation, propaganda, whatever, that uses the word "referendum", or a scan of the "terms and conditions" that make this a "refeendum", or scan the "ballot paper". Until then, he is using the word "referendum" without any reason or excuse.

As Denes said, this is a history forum. Let us talk history, not nationalism.

Radu

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This post has been edited by dragos on December 23, 2011 03:25 pm

Nevertheless, I end the "discussion" here, because it has reached (courtesy to you, but not for the first time) new records of law standards. Have a nice day, dude!

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This post has been edited by dragos on December 23, 2011 03:26 pm

Report filed by German consul in Brasov to Chancelor Max von Baden (November 8, 1918):

http://www.cimec.ro/Istorie/Unire/ardeal.htm#Ra

This post has been edited by Imperialist on December 23, 2011 11:23 am

There is not one single word you said here that is fair or true...
Radu

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This post has been edited by dragos on December 23, 2011 03:27 pm

Gentlemen, please refrain from personal attacks.

It's almost Christmas Eve. Even the Germans and the French buried the hatchet for this occasion in the trenches in 1914.

That's true, Victor. Merry Christmas everyone!

OoT:
1. "almost" is the key-word
2. The German-French feud is nothing compared to the Romanian-Romanian feud...
Now, really, Merry Christmas to everyone!

Merry Christmas! I wish to all members and all their loved ones! May God enlighten our minds and hearts!

Indeed, merry Christmas to everyone!

I believe, if we'd sit down to a beer, we'd discover that we, Transylvanians, have much more in common than separates us. Pending that all parties (Rumanians, Hungarians, Szeklers, Saxons, Jews, etc.) acknowledge the others have a right to be integral part of the history of Transylvania and would look at our common history with an open mind, free of dogmatisms.

So, I wish all of you in in a transylvanian spirit:
Craciun fericit!
Boldog Karacsonyt!
Frohe Weihnachten!

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on December 24, 2011 09:36 am

Off-topic:

Transylvanians… I’d say more than that, I think our identity is not complete without “the other”.

Long time ago, I was returning home from my first (long) stay abroad. I had to cancel a plane ticket and then to take a bus for Budapest, the closest destination to Romania available. I started to feel “at home” when, with the ticket in my hand and asking for the bus destination, the trip attendant answered, with Hungarian accent, “Budapeşt”.

This post has been edited by Agarici on December 24, 2011 02:40 pm

Off topic:

Some years ago being on the other side of the world with a number of fellow romanians, some of them went drunk. Of course they started to sing "Noi suntem români", "Treceţi batalioane..." and other stuff like this. After few minutes, they stoped, saying that it's no fun to sing something like this when everybody around us was or black, or indian, chinese or God knows what. Actually, my fellows started to miss the hungarians and thought how nice is back in Transylvania, whith all our goods and bads So, one needs to go far away for sometime to realise that "rău cu rău, dar mai rău fără rău".

Merry Christmas to all of you!

Bogdan