The IAR's taken by the russians

[cipiamon]

I heard after the war the Iar's whare taken by the reds as a "war capture", any ideeas what happened to the planes? is there any chance that a plane might still exist today?

[Dénes]

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I heard after the war the Iar's whare taken by the reds as a \"war capture\", any ideeas what happened to the planes? is there any chance that a plane might still exist today?

If you refer to the I.A.R. series of aircraft, no, they were not taken away by the Soviets. They would have no use for an obsolete aircraft.

However, if you refer to the I.A.R.- Brasov factory's machine tools, etc., rumours say that indeed most were transported East.

[cipiamon]

I am not refering to the tools, i am refering to the planes.
This what i heard, but i can't remeber the source :roll:
"afther the war, the remaining IAR80..'s are taken by the russians, as capture of war..."

-and i was wondering what hapened to them?

Afterall the russians prohibited any creation of a new romanian plane.
:mad:

[George]

No IAR-80 airplane was taken by russians in 1944-45.
Only 2 or 3 airplanes where captured by russians in 1942 near Stalingrad and probably tested.

[cipiamon]

i see, the all the IAR80's must have been "casated", or "melted" :roll:

[cipiamon]

When i visited The Musem of Aeronautics (Muzeul Aviatiei de la Otopeni) the guide told me that the IAR were taken by the soviets along whit the ciment presess, and all that to make Romania to buy aircrafts from rusians. After all, the IAR-Brasov industry was banned to make planes.

[Dénes]

That's not true. As George and I mentioned earlier, no I.A.R. 80/81s were requisitioned by the Red Army after Aug. 1944.

The fact that the "old technology" (i.e., mainly German warplanes) was gradually eliminated to allow room for the "new technology" (Soviet warplanes) is another matter.
However, the flying resources of many of those wartime airplane types simply expired and no money was invested into renewing these resources (this is not valid for post-war produced I.A.R.-Bf 109Gs, though).

[cipiamon]

Yes but in Romania after the war the plane tehnology did not evolve too much, they stick to the propeler plane, so why they throw away all the planes. Probably you wold if see today iar80s sprayng the fields

[cipiamon]

Oh, and abot that 1:1 replica from the Muzeum of Aeronautics he told me that the builder encountered very big dificultyes, he construct it at IAR Brasov along whit many old workers and it was so hard because there was no presses and thouse were taken by the russinas after the war. He probably lied to me, or he is beeing misinformed.

[Victor]

The tail is a perfect replica. That was because mr. Dan Antoniu supercised the workers at Brasov very rigorousely. After that he was recalled to Bucharest, to the Museum, and the work went on to without him. And unfortunately the replica ended up teh way it did. At least he managed to obtained to paint it as No. 42.

[Carol I]

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...this is not valid for post-war produced I.A.R.-Bf 109Gs...

Could you please give some more details about this? For how long did the Bf 109G production take place at IAR after WWII? How many planes were produced? What happened to them? Were they only for internal use? Were any of them exported? Czechoslovakia managed to sell 25 of its 109Gs (known as Avia S-199) to the Israeli Air Force in 1948 (though only 23 were delivered).

Thanks.

[C-2]

As far as I know ,no 109's were built after 23/Aug.
One Israeli Avia 199 is in flying condition at the Israeli aviation museum.
One such aircraft made the first IAF victory.
From what I heard ,there were big dif.between the 109 and the 199..
More details?
Also the Avia made some version of the 262!!!???

[Carol I]

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The tail is a perfect replica. That was because mr. Dan Antoniu supercised the workers at Brasov very rigorousely. After that he was recalled to Bucharest, to the Museum, and the work went on to without him. And unfortunately the replica ended up teh way it did. At least he managed to obtained to paint it as No. 42.

What about the IAR-80 replica "No. 1" from the Aviation Museum? It was claimed to be the only true replica of the Romanian plane, built at Brasov with as many of the original details as possible, including the only surviving, original K14-1000a engine obtained from a technical school or museum?

[Carol I]

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From what I heard ,there were big dif.between the 109 and the 199.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Avia%20S-199 for example states that the airframe of the Avia S-199 was identical to that of the Me 109G and that only the engine and the propeller were different.

[Dénes]

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QUOTE ...this is not valid for post-war produced I.A.R.-Bf 109Gs... Could you please give some more details about this? For how long did the Bf 109G production take place at IAR after WWII? How many planes were produced? What happened to them? Were they only for internal use? Were any of them exported?

Production lasted until 1947. As I've mentioned earlier, a total of 75 Bf 109Ga's were (partly) manufactured at I.A.R. Brasov.
They were used only in ARR and FA-RPR, until 1954. The surviving airplanes were scrapped in 1955.