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Posted: March 25, 2013 04:01 pm
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hello,I have some questions about Romanian Army need help

1.Divizie Vânători
in Men at Arms 356.Armies.in.the.Balkans.1914-18 P34
Divizie 1 Vânători with 1,4/6 Regiment Vânători
Divizie 2 Vânători with 2/3,7/10 Regiment Vânători
it means that Divizie Vânători only have 2 Regiment Vânători ?where are Regiment 5,8,9 Vânători
do somebody have full OOB about the Divizie Vânători and Brigada Vânători?

and in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian-Romanian_War_of_1919
“Phase I: November 1918 – March 1919
Main article: Union of Transylvania with Romania
Following the Treaty of Bucharest, the bulk of the Romanian Army was demobilized. Only the 9th and the 10th infantry divisions and the 1st and the 2nd cavalry divisions were available at war-time strength, but they were used at the time to protect Bessarabia from the attacks of the Russian Reds. The 1st, 7th and 8th Vânători divisions, stationed in Moldavia, were the first units mobilized under these circumstances. The 8th was sent to Bukovina and the other two divisions were sent to Transylvania. On November 13, 1918, the 7th division was the first Romanian Army unit to enter Transylvania at Prisăcani, in the Eastern Carpathians, followed at Palanca by the 1st.[8]”
is the 7th and 8th Vânători divisions just infantry divisions ?

2.Divizia 9 Infanterie
http://reocities.com/MotorCity/freeway/7333/DI.html#5
Divizia 5 Teritorială renamed Divizia 9 Infanterie,Divizia 5 Infanterie is new ?Or Divizia 5 Teritorială divided in 5,9 two Divizia ?

3.Comandament 110 Infanterie
the number of Comandament 110 Infanterie is Divizia 10 Infanterie’s number +100,there is no Divizia 10 Infanterie Instructie ,is Comandament 110 Infanterie the same as other division‘s Divizia Infanterie Instructie ?
and Detasamentul Infanterie means what? Regiment or Batallion

in Rumanian Order of Battle World War II by George F. Nafziger P48
there is Divizia 100 Infanterie
the OOB of Divizia 100 Infanterie looks like Divizia 100 Infanterie = Comandament 110 Infanterie + 2 Infantry Battalion and 6 Battery
do someone kown more about it?

4.Bg. Inf.Acoperire and Bg. Moto
http://reocities.com/MotorCity/freeway/7333/BgIAc.html
can someone give some Information about Bg. Inf.Acoperire and Bg. Moto

in http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2312
The 1st Mechanized Brigade, based at Turda, was made up of the:
-4th Motorized Vanatori Group
-11th Motorized Vanatori Group
-1st Motorized Artillery Regiment
-Special Tasks Battalion
-Recon Detachment
-Armored Car Company
-Motorized MG Platoon
-Motorcycle Platoon
-AT and AA Platoon

Bg. Moto and Mechanized Brigade not the same?
What is the difference between them
is all Regiment of Bg. Moto moto or just Reg. Art.Moto ?

5.Regimentul Fortificatii
Regimentul 86 Infanterie transformed 1939 in Regimentul 2 Fortificatii
Regimentul 1 Fortificatii transformed form which Regimentul ?
why Regimentul 28,53,68 transformed form Infanterie to Fortificatii ,the number not became 3,4,5?

6.Regimentul Grăniceresc
http://reocities.com/MotorCity/freeway/7333/RI.html
Regimentul 1/84 Graniceri
Regimentul 3/90 Graniceri
Regimentul 2/96 Graniceri
Regimentul Graniceri in WWII all form Regimentul Infanterie ?
where is the old Regimentul Graniceri in WWI after WWI?

Divizia 2 Gardă and Divizia 1 Grăniceri all have Reg. 2 Grăniceresc in the same time
what happened ?

7.name of Regimentul
I find many Regimentul have name ,each Regimentul have name ?
in http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php...=43012&start=15
I find some more name about Cavalry Regiments,Mountain Battalions ,Artillery Regiments
can someone give more name?

8.Batalion Gardă
is it became R.115 I. ?

9.Divizie Munte
in the inter war there are 2 Divizie Munte with 12 Batalion Vânători de Munte
can someone give the full OOB?

http://www.worldwar2.ro/organizare/?article=29
“There were 24 battalions (1st-24th) out of which the first 16 were active units, very well trained and armed, and the rest (17th-24th) were formed after the general mobilization and were of lower quality. That is why the 4th Mountain Brigade (created in 1939) was never able to match the other brigades.”
what about 13-16 battalions ?the four are not the first 12 battalions ,when are they formed ?
are they Elite ?
4th Mountain Brigade have 13,14 battalions ,not all of it rest units,why say it weak

10.Comandament Munte
Comandament Munte‘s number is the Brigada Mixtă Munte’s first 4 battalions +100?

in http://www.worldwar2.ro/organizare/?article=29
“The lack of a reserve of the mountain troops (the infantry and the cavalry had the training divisions) meant that all the replacements came from the frontier-guards or from the gendarmerie. Thus the quality of the mountain troops decreased, but they still were above the infantry.”
mean Divizie 4 Munte Instructie and Comandament Munte are from frontier-guards or from the gendarmerie?

11.Corp Teritorial ,Divizia Instrucţie and Divizia P.S.
http://reocities.com/MotorCity/freeway/7333/A1.html
Divizia P.S. enter in is Divizia Instrucţie
what is P.S means?
in many place Corp Teritorial use only Corp ,Divizia Instrucţie use only Divizia
after the old Corp ,Divizia destory ,the Corp Teritorial,Divizia Instrucţie upgrade ?

12.Rosiori and Călărasi
in Men at Arms 356.Armies.in.the.Balkans.1914-18 P35
Rosiori means Red men and Călărasi means Cavalry
what Rosiori really means?

13.Regiment Escortă and Regiment Gardă Călare
can somebody give some Information?

14.Brigada Cavalerie
how Brigada Călărasi and Brigada Rosiori became Brigada Cavalerie

15.Divizia Cavalerie OOB in inter war
41 Brigada / Divizia 1 Cavalerie
42 Divizia 2 Cavalerie, then Brigada / Divizia 5 Cavalerie
43 Divizia 3 Cavalerie, then Brigada / Divizia 6 Cavalerie
44 Divizia 4 Cavalerie, then Brigada / Divizia 8 Cavalerie
45 Brigada / Divizia 7 Cavalerie
46 Brigada / Divizia 9 Cavalerie
form the key numbers ,I guess Brigada 5,6,8 Cavalerie are form Divizia 2,3,4 Cavalerie
there is no OOB of 4 Divizia Cavalerie in inter war,can someone offer?

and I find some units of Divizie 2 Pază is 132,is Divizie 2 Pază ’s key numbers is 132?

16.Batalion Pază
there are only 11,12,13 in Divizia 1 Pază ,14,15,16 in Divizia 3 Pază
what about 1-10?

17.Independent Infantry Battalions
http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=210&st=0
http://reocities.com/MotorCity/freeway/7333/RI.html
“Regimentul 72 Infanterie Rezervă (formed 1.4.1914 in Calafat, temporarily located in Mizil; 1917 merged with Reg.47 Inf as Reg.47/72 Inf; disbanded by 1923; reestablished 3.9.1939; disbanded by 11.1940 ?).
4.14-14.8.16 Cdt. 3 Teritorial Calafat ?
15.8.16 Bg. 25 Inf
.41 Div. 25 Inf.Rez. --
42-43 Div. 1 Pază --”
it seams like that Regimentul Infanterie Rezervă became Independent Infantry Battalions with the Regimentul number×10 = Battalion number?
can someone offer more date?

18.WWI
http://www.frontforum.westernfrontassociat...d985f477c34b96e
I find the web ,the book is very good ,where can I get more Information of the book?

19.Regimental badges of the Romanian army
http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=525
It seems each Regimental have Regimental badges ?many pictures are lost ,can someone offer?
and 7 year badge means what ?

and there is Regiment 3 Care de Luptă’s Regimental badge in the web,
can somebody offer Information about Regiment 3 Care de Luptă?

20.Divizia "Horia, Closca si Crisan"
can someone offer the OOB of Divizia "Horia, Closca si Crisan" ?

21.OOB
http://reocities.com/MotorCity/freeway/7333/OOB150816.html
‘IV / 17, 57, 31.’means WWI 1916 Romanian Army Regimentul have 4 Battalions?
‘3 batteries 53 mm.’ the 3 batteries are units in Bg. 1 Art. or not?

there are Brigada 1,2,3,4,5,6,41 Mixtă
what about their history

Bg. Frim. in Divizia IX.
Bg. Comb. in Divizia XXIII.
what about their full name and history?

http://reocities.com/MotorCity/freeway/7333/OOB011016.html
in the web of 1916.10.1-1916.10.14 OOB,many division are not here,what about them?destoried?

22.Romanian Border Regiments
http://www.traditia-militara.ro/index.php?...=14&language=ro
http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=4562
the 2 Regiments are Austro-Hungarian Units not Wallachia and Moldavia?

23.Wallachia and Moldavia units
http://reocities.com/MotorCity/freeway/7333/RLin.html
the Regimental Linie is Wallachia units
and there are Moldavian Regiment de Muschetari of Iasi,Moldavian Regiment de Vânători
what about other units ?can someone show the OOB of Wallachia and Moldavia?

I’m sorry my English is poor

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QUOTE ("kesselring")
2.Divizia 9 Infanterie
http://reocities.com/MotorCity/freeway/7333/DI.html#5
Divizia 5 Teritorială renamed Divizia 9 Infanterie,Divizia 5 Infanterie is new ?Or Divizia 5 Teritorială divided in 5,9 two Divizia ?


It is clearly written there that "Divizia 5 Teritorială" became "Divizia 5 Infanterie". There is no mention of "Divizia 9 Infanterie"

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4.Bg. Inf.Acoperire and Bg. Moto
http://reocities.com/MotorCity/freeway/7333/BgIAc.html
can someone give some Information about Bg. Inf.Acoperire and Bg. Moto

in http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=2312
The 1st Mechanized Brigade, based at Turda, was made up of the:
-4th Motorized Vanatori Group
-11th Motorized Vanatori Group
-1st Motorized Artillery Regiment
-Special Tasks Battalion
-Recon Detachment
-Armored Car Company
-Motorized MG Platoon
-Motorcycle Platoon
-AT and AA Platoon

Bg. Moto and Mechanized Brigade not the same?
What is the difference between them
is all Regiment of Bg. Moto moto or just Reg. Art.Moto ?


The 1st Mechanized Brigade as the first real unit of this kind in the Romanian Army. The motorized brigades mentioned in the previous link existed most likely on paper only.

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6.Regimentul Grăniceresc
http://reocities.com/MotorCity/freeway/7333/RI.html
Regimentul 1/84 Graniceri
Regimentul 3/90 Graniceri
Regimentul 2/96 Graniceri
Regimentul Graniceri in WWII all form Regimentul Infanterie ?
where is the old Regimentul Graniceri in WWI after WWI?

Divizia 2 Gardă and Divizia 1 Grăniceri all have Reg. 2 Grăniceresc in the same time
what happened ?


I don't seem to find on the link you mentioned the information in your question. For more information regarding teh Frontier-guard troops, please follow this link: http://www.worldwar2.ro/organizare/?language=en&article=33

After the 1941 campaign the 1st Frontier-guard Division was practically disbanded, because its component regiments were deployed in the frontier. It only continued to exist mainly in name. This is why the 2nd Frontier-guard Regiment appears in both divisional OoBs.

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7.name of Regimentul
I find many Regimentul have name ,each Regimentul have name ?
in http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php...=43012&start=15
I find some more name about Cavalry Regiments,Mountain Battalions ,Artillery Regiments
can someone give more name?


Not every unit had a name. Especially those which were recently created prior to or during the war did not receive honorary names. Feel free to browse this section for names to the units http://www.worldwar2.ro/oob/

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9.Divizie Munte
in the inter war there are 2 Divizie Munte with 12 Batalion Vânători de Munte
can someone give the full OOB?

http://www.worldwar2.ro/organizare/?article=29
“There were 24 battalions (1st-24th) out of which the first 16 were active units, very well trained and armed, and the rest (17th-24th) were formed after the general mobilization and were of lower quality. That is why the 4th Mountain Brigade (created in 1939) was never able to match the other brigades.”
what about 13-16 battalions ?the four are not the first 12 battalions ,when are they formed ?
are they Elite ?
4th Mountain Brigade have 13,14 battalions ,not all of it rest units,why say it weak


Because the majority of its components were newly formed, including the command structures. It did not had several years of continuous service and cohesion. In the end, it fared pretty well throughout the war, however.

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Posted: March 31, 2013 05:25 pm
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I means that Regimentul 84/90/96 Infanterie had double number in the inter war like Regimentul I Mehedinti nr.17 “Stirbei Vodă” ,Regimentul II Romanati nr.19 etc...
did Regimentul 84/90/96 Infanterie these three Regimentul were Regimentul Graniceri merged with Regimentul Infanterie?
and in wwii they divide in two Regimentul again?

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6.Regimentul Grăniceresc
http://reocities.com/MotorCity/freeway/7333/RI.html
Regimentul 1/84 Graniceri
Regimentul 3/90 Graniceri
Regimentul 2/96 Graniceri
Regimentul Graniceri in WWII all form Regimentul Infanterie ?
where is the old Regimentul Graniceri in WWI after WWI?

Divizia 2 Gardă and Divizia 1 Grăniceri all have Reg. 2 Grăniceresc in the same time
what happened ?


Some more questions
1.Divizia 18 Munte
in Rumanian Order of Battle World War II by George F. Nafziger P45
Divizia 18 Munte OOB:
Grup 18 Vânători Munte
Batalion 27 Vânători de Munte
Batalion 31 Vânători de Munte
Grup 90 Vânători Munte
Batalion 28 Vânători de Munte
Batalion 29 Vânători de Munte
Grup 92 Vânători Munte
Batalion 30 Vânători de Munte
Batalion 32 Vânători de Munte

and Batalion 33/34/35 Vânători de Munte in which Grup Vânători Munte?

2.Divizia 103 Munte
there are two version OOB of Divizia 103 Munte
http://reocities.com/MotorCity/freeway/7333/D103.html
Divizia 103 Munte:
Comandament 103 Munte
Comandament 104 Munte
Brigada 6 Artilerie
and in Rumanian Order of Battle World War II by George F. Nafziger P61
Divizia 103 Munte:
Regimentul 17 Infanterie
Regimentul 8 Graniceri
Batalion 25 Vânători de Munte
Batalion 26 Vânători de Munte
Regimentul 11 Artilerie
Regimentul 16 Artilerie

the Artillery Regiment seems like same
which one are real?
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