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Imperialist |
Posted on April 30, 2013 10:19 pm
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General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2399 Member No.: 499 Joined: February 09, 2005 |
The text of the treaty:
http://wwi.lib.byu.edu/index.php/The_Tripl...ish_Tranlation) Romania renewed the Triple Alliance Treaty in 1913. Although it declared itself neutral after the outbreak of the war, arguing that Article 3 could not be invoked because Austria-Hungary was the one that attacked Serbia, Article 1 and 4 were still in force. So is it correct to say Romania broke the treaty, as I am inclined to do? -------------------- I
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Petre |
Posted on May 01, 2013 08:47 am
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Locotenent colonel Group: Members Posts: 894 Member No.: 2434 Joined: March 24, 2009 |
We need to find and read the Declaration of War Romania to Wien, and it will be clear.
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Victor |
Posted on May 03, 2013 08:09 am
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If the treaty was still in force in the same form in 1916, than yes. Since the initial signing was valid only for five years, it would be interesting to know what happened when the treaty was extended over the years.
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Petre |
Posted on May 03, 2013 02:00 pm
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Locotenent colonel Group: Members Posts: 894 Member No.: 2434 Joined: March 24, 2009 |
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Dénes |
Posted on May 03, 2013 04:50 pm
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Admin Group: Admin Posts: 4368 Member No.: 4 Joined: June 17, 2003 |
Good find!
Gen. Dénes |
MMM |
Posted on May 03, 2013 05:22 pm
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General de divizie Group: Members Posts: 1463 Member No.: 2323 Joined: December 02, 2008 |
Then Italy did it first, right? Just asking... Another thing: on this subject, now, there are five different users' posts, but only three votes! How comes? -------------------- M
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Florin |
Posted on May 03, 2013 07:32 pm
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General de corp de armata Group: Members Posts: 1879 Member No.: 17 Joined: June 22, 2003 |
In regard to the accuracy of the author of this webpage - I quote from there: ".....Romania laid herself open to the charge - quickly made by Germany and Austria-Hungary - of betraying her own alliance with Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy..." How could Romania betray Italy, when Italy was already in the war since 1915 ? As "MMM" has already noticed, Italy betrayed first - if this really matters. "Imperialist" is right, if Articles 1 and 4 were still the same at the renewal from 1913, Romania did not respect that treaty. I already voted "Yes", but now I am asking everybody: What was the value of this agreement, after Italy already ignored it in 1915 ? Could it still be considered a valid document ? When Bulgaria and The Ottoman Empire entered into the war, did they sign different documents, or this same treaty ? It would be also very interesting to read about the diplomatic reactions of Great Britain, France and The United States when Lenin took Russia out of the war. This post has been edited by Florin on May 03, 2013 10:00 pm |
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Florin |
Posted on May 03, 2013 07:50 pm
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General de corp de armata Group: Members Posts: 1879 Member No.: 17 Joined: June 22, 2003 |
Off topic, many people still angry on the Romanian "betrayal" from August 1944 conveniently forget that Italy "betrayed" in September 1943, Finland also "betrayed" in August 1944, Bulgaria issued political statements suggesting an exit from the Axis few days before 23rd of August, and Hungary tried to "betray", but... whatever.
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Imperialist |
Posted on May 03, 2013 08:25 pm
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General de armata Group: Members Posts: 2399 Member No.: 499 Joined: February 09, 2005 |
I think legally speaking the treaty remained valid for the remaining signatories as long as they didn't denounce it. But practically speaking I think Germany and Austria-Hungary knew it now depended on what they could offer Romania and how the war was progressing for them than on the letter of a treaty. -------------------- I
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