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Soviet - Romanian Air Combats in August 1940?, Which Soviet IAP, pilot/s did it?

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Agarici

Posted: March 05, 2016 01:29 pm

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QUOTE (mirekw @ March 03, 2016 09:36 am)

What was a PZL? It was the PZL P.11 A No7-46

as George siad a few yeras ago:

(...) In my data base is PZL P-11A No.7-46,sure one from Polish Air Force from 1939,in formation with Cpt.Av.Rata D-tru and Srg.Av.Cristoloveanu Gh.
About the BB,nothing.
IAR-37 Nr.39 Esc.18 Obs. pilot Srg.Av.Macri C-tin,Obs.Slt.Ionescu Ioan,
Cap.Zugravoiu Cristache.

regards

mw

PS

All PW NKWD units had an order to fire too all planes, the same was before 1939 on Polish-Soviet Border, planes were shot, if the PW NKWD's units could fire.

The same was on German-Soviet border excluding a few weeks or even days before 22.06.41. All bodrer units, including fighters were forbiden to fire to German planes in June 1941.

OK then, but does anyone know to what unit (Fighter Flotilla, Group, Squadron) did those (and any other) ex-Polish PZL planes belong?

Dénes

Posted: March 06, 2016 08:02 pm

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QUOTE (mirekw @ March 03, 2016 03:36 pm)

...as George siad a few yeras ago:

Unfortunately, George died several years ago, so he cannot help us any more.

Gen. Dénes

Agarici	Posted: March 07, 2016 12:17 am
Maior Group: Members Posts: 745 Member No.: 522 Joined: February 24, 2005	I'm very sorry to hear that, may he rest in peace!

mirekw	Posted: March 07, 2016 11:04 am
Caporal Group: Members Posts: 128 Member No.: 517 Joined: February 22, 2005	In fact, a very big loss, he was a great scholar of Romanian aviation, his loss is irreplaceable. How old was he? mw

Radub

Posted: March 11, 2016 10:07 am

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QUOTE (Florin @ March 02, 2016 02:48 am)

Well, I hoped a little bit, knowing that the maiden flight of the prototype was in May or June of 1939.

The delay between the first flight of the I.A.R.80 prototype and the release of the first production aircraft was caused by the fact that Romania was not manufacturing powerful enough engines at the time, all in the middle of a complex combination of events. The engines had to be imported or made under licence. During this period Germany invaded Poland (which started the war), France fell, Romania lost Bessarabia and then Romania lost Transylvania (which led to a chain of events that led to political and economic turmoil). The main potential suppliers of engines were Jumo in Germany and Gnome Rhone in France and because of the war they suddenly became more needed "at home". The economic turmoil and loss of territories (meaning labour and resources) made all manufacturing a nightmare in Romania in that period.
HTH
Radu

mirekw	Posted: March 12, 2016 07:33 pm
Caporal Group: Members Posts: 128 Member No.: 517 Joined: February 22, 2005	"The engines had to be imported or made under licence." Which engines were at last put into the first IAR-80s: made under licence or imported from France? mw

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