Battlefield finds in the ground...

So, now you threaten me? Why am I not suprised?

Radu

Hummel ,
May I ask you why are you digging only where werw Romanian soldiers ?

He does not "find" any human remains.

OK, let me be blunt about this: He most defintely finds human remains, he throws them away and then he says "there were no human remains". Do not support this parasyte. "Half dogtags" = "human remains". No matter how many times he says "there were no human remains", "half dogtags" = "human remains".

The International Red Cross must be informed immediately, as soon as a "half dogtag" is found. A "half dogtag" means a grieving mother, a bereaved wife, an orphaned child opr grandchild who seek an answer to the question "where was my son/husband/father/grandfather buried?" This digger literally made sure that the whereabouts of someone's grandfather, was lost forever. One is one too many!

Some people's lack of moral fibre in this matter is shocking, utterly shocking. This is not "business", this is a crime.

Radu

If a person does not understand anything, I think it is better not to write all sorts of nonsense.


This is a piece of fine zinc.
They lay in the headquarters, along with debris of war.

The dog tags are intact.

It is very possib that a lot of objects and human remains are been found even daily arownd Stalingrad.Almost 1 milion people died there.
When diggin for a foundation or other civil construction,it is impossib not to find.
If the red cross is going to be called for every bone found there,they'll have to made a permanent office there with a lot of personal.

And to end this dispute,The human remains that Hummel is supposed to find are also of his countrymen.

He's digging in his country soil.
Nobody asked those German,Romanian,Italian,Hungarian etc to come to HIS TOWN,to bomb it,to kill his citizens and to burn it.

I know I sound comunist (I'm not) but that's the truth after all in my opinion.

This is the point where politics starts to mix with history. And we should avoid it.

With the same logic, nobody beyond the USSR borders asked Soviet troops to "liberate" their country. But they did it nevertheless. This is politics.
Let's stick to (military) history, please.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on September 15, 2009 06:18 pm

Yes you are right here, let Hummel post his photos with his findings. And the persons that don't like it shoud avoid this tread. It's better for them and better for us.

So, now you threaten me? Why am I not suprised?

Radu

I see you're writing in all my subjects.
I write nonsense, you would like to quarreling?
Excavation is my hobby.
I will again say that I do not dig the dead of Romanian soldiers.
You is not clear that when it's freezing at -40 and you have no food, you do not think about medals and dog tags.
80% of things are in places where the soldiers lived.
A small town, where there were stables, hospital canteens, all things with them remained there. If you are not clear, it is bad.
You tell me bad things.
Again, I ask you know me personally?? To speak in this way?

are we also parasites? i mean the guys from this forum that enjoy "wandering the battlefields''?

about this equal raport...."half dogtags=human remains", i contradict you my friend.
i have been on many battle places(hills, forests, mountains, rivers) and i can say this...

i must admit that i found human remains....but no dog tags.
let me explain: any forest that i went and was a german garisson you can find shit, beer cans, tampons, dipers, plastic bottles, spare tyres burned, toilet paper...but no dog tags. how can you explain that?

Point 1. A half a dog-tag is usually left with the body of a dead soldier, the other half being returned via the section commander to the Company HQ, where along with the soldiers files the details of the deceased soldiers were returned to their higher command back to their home station, and then notification would be transmitted to the dead man's family.

Point 2. An odd half dog-tag turning up is not to be considered 100% proof that there are human remains, but could be a strong indication that there are remains in the area of the tags.

Point 3. I believe that there is a lot of bad publicity attached to finds in Russia because there is documented evidence that war graves in areas of the former Soviet Union have been disturbed for the sake of profit by unscrupulous people who do not care that the remains are those once of a human being who had a family.

Point 4. You cannot judge all people who offer items for sale as being as above, unless you have 100% clear proof of such a persons actions, without evidence, no crime can be proved.

Contrary to what is stated soldiers were very careful with regards their dog-tags,
most soldiers regardless of nationality always hated the idea that their bodies would never be identified or given a proper burial.

Kevin in Deva.

Relax, seeker! I have no problem with the "population at large". Stop trying to make this a "public issue" - I was referring to the specific actions of one very specific person.

There was a question above as to "why is this man digging only in the Romanian section and not in the German section?"
No reply.
Why?
Simple! The German authorities would come on top of him like a ton of bricks. The Romanian authorities could not care less and members of Romanian forums applaud this man.

My grandfather fought there. Thankfully he came back home. Many of his buddies did not. Their families would love dearly to know their whereabouts, possibly have their bodies back, and in the absence of any of that, they would be happy to just get their dogtags back.
This "lovely person" and "pillar of his community" should do his best to contact the families of the people that those dogtags belonged to and retrun them. Then he will have my full admiration, support and respect.

A dog-tag is more than just a piece of metal, irrespective of what condition it is in. Figure that one out for yourselves!

Radu

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"Simple! The German authorities would come on top of him like a ton of bricks."


German authorities have already arrived in 1942.

"My grandfather fought there. Thankfully he came back home. Many of his buddies did not."

Who called here for your grandfather?
He must have handed out candy Russian children here?
Or poured bullets from a machine gun?
My grandfather also fought and came from Stalingrad to Konigsberg.

"There was a question above as to "why is this man digging only in the Romanian section and not in the German section?"

I'll tell you, a substance much in German relationship with the Romanian. We dug a German and a lot of things, look at the photo.

are we also parasites? i mean the guys from this forum that enjoy "wandering the battlefields''?

about this equal raport...."half dogtags=human remains", i contradict you my friend.
i have been on many battle places(hills, forests, mountains, rivers) and i can say this...

i must admit that i found human remains....but no dog tags.
let me explain: any forest that i went and was a german garisson you can find shit, beer cans, tampons, dipers, plastic bottles, spare tyres burned, toilet paper...but no dog tags. how can you explain that?

I agree with you completely!
German and Romanian troops were in the entourage of about 5 months, for a time they left the mountains Scrap!

In 10-15 years such artifacts will vanish and "melt" .
Great finds!