Captured Russian Aircraft

How many Russian Planes were captured and pressed into Romanian service during the war?

Who was that crazy pilot of ours who took a Mig-1 Fighter, painted the Yellow Michael star on it's wings and flew it in battle?

Any good Russian planes like the Yak 9 or Sturmowiks flown by Romanians during the war? (or after :?: )

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First of all, no captured VVS aircraft was ever pressed into service. Some were painted in Romanian colors (an I-16 and a MiG-3), but none were actually used in combat.

Second, there was no Michael STAR, but Michael's CROSS!!!

In 1941 were captured 16 I-16s (3 on Ismail airfield, 4 at Feodosiya,1 at Dorohoi and another 8 on Bessarabian roads), all in flying condition.
On 18 March 1942, a MiG-3 landed at Melitopol and the Ukrainian pilot surrendered willingly. It wasflown at IAR Brasov by Bazu Cantacuzino.
On 1 January 1944, an A-20 Boston landed at Novovoscrichenka and was captured and later flown to IAR Brasov for study. 15 days later a Pe-2 landed at Sudak and had the same fate as the A-20.
On 20 March 1944 a P-39 landed in the Ismail County and was also taken to Brasov.

In my source here that I was reading it says that a Romanian pilot used a Mig 1 or 3 (I must find that web adress again), he painted it with Romanian airforce markings and made it his own private fighter which he then flew in battle against the bolshevicks -

I'll write more about it once I can find that info, and once the Images can be uploaded onto this forum, it will make this much easier once we have photos.

I have seen German planes captured by the russians, like Fw-190's A and the D "Dora" model, as well as other planes that were spraypainted white and flown against the germans, the Romanians did not capture any of the better Russian aircraft, during all that fighting in 1942, 43 and 44? I find that hard to belive.

And yes, I know it's a "Cross, but I prefer to call it star because it's yellow and it looks like it's "shining" - Interesting how most of the Axis had crosses, where as the Allies has Stars , Pentagrams on their planes....yes you told me that.. :!: :?

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In my source here that I was reading it says that a Romanian pilot used a Mig 1 or 3 (I must find that web adress again), he painted it with Romanian airforce markings and made it his own private fighter which he then flew in battle against the bolshevicks

I assure you such a thing did not happen. You might be referring to the episode involving Popescu-Ciocanel, who in 1941 was in the19th Observation Squadron. The squadron captured one I-16 and it was painted in Romanian colors and markings and it received the s/n 1. He asked for permission to fly it against Soviet fighters, in order to protect the IAR-39s of his squadron mates. However, he was not allowed to and no actual war missions with it took place.

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the Romanians did not capture any of the better Russian aircraft, during all that fighting in 1942, 43 and 44? I find that hard to belive.

For 1944 I already gave you a list. Please read what I write. As for 1942 and 1943 there are no mentions I know of.

Der Maresal wrote :

The cross is a form of star too, because it represents the Sun! :wink: And the Japanese? Did they had a cross? NO! They had a roundel representing the Sun! :wink:

Allied Stars? I remember only the Soviets & Americans to have stars... The first ones used the red star, to represent the new communist man and the 'yanks' used a white star, prezent on their flag. The other 3 major 'allies', G-B, France and Romania (after 23 August '44) had round 'cockades'...

don't forget that the free french air frorce used beside the typical french roundels the Lorraine cross.

B. Miclescu

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Der Maresal, as far as I know, Russian never use captured German aircrafts in combat mission, however they did use at least 1 captured Bf-110 for spy mission

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as far as I know, Russian never use captured German aircrafts in combat mission

There is a famous series of photos depicting several long-nose Fw 190Ds on a Prussian airfield, painted with Red Stars, and said to be used in combat missions in the closing stage of war.

Dénes

Denes: according to Carl-Fredrik Geust's "Red Sar", Soviet did not use captured LW aicraft in combat mission, it seem to make sense to me, since Russian did not had any aircraft shortage in the most time period of the WWII, and it would cause much confuse in their own unit if they used captured aircraft in combat, as I know in WWII only Finish airforce used caputred aircrafts in combat

The Soviets used a captured German Fw 189 also.

A documentary movie shown on TV showed a German Fw-190 A model (short nose) in a Russian Factory being spraypaited WHITE with a large airbrush...all national insignia..the cross the numbers and Swastica were errased (actually painted over ) and the whole plane made white for winter combat.

The pilot...who knows what happened to him, (and who cares, just to use Russian mentality from those days)...to the gulag! The important thing is the plane was captured intact and in flying condition.

Red Stars were painted on the fuselage and tail and so a Fw 190 was flown in combat "against the fascist invaders"!

It was pobably in 1943,. As for the long nose version, ..the Dora.. there were some Captured by the Soviets in 1944/45 and fitted with Russian Radio Equipment, of course the red star was painted and the planes tested

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According to Carl-Fredrik Geust, the first FW-190 captured intact by Soviet was a FW-190 A-4 of 2./JG 54 (WNr 2310, piloted by Uffz Helmut Brandt) which mad a forced landing on the ice of Lake Ladoga on 13 January 1943 after a combat with Capt Sergei Litavrin, Sen-Ltns Sergei Demenkov, Grigori Bogomazov and A.I Morozov of th the 158 IAD PVO. The Soviet pilots shot down one of the two FW 190s, while the other force-landed on the ice of the frozen lake. This German pilot was able to escape to the coastline held by German force, but his aicraftw was captured and evacuated by Soviet troops at night and transported to the Komendantskiy naval air force base newar Leningrad. in 1944, this particular FW-190 was displayed at the comparative exhibition of foreign and Soviet aircraft .

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There is a famous series of photos depicting several long-nose Fw 190Ds on a Prussian airfield, painted with Red Stars, and said to be used in combat missions in the closing stage of war. Dénes

Here's a link to one of those captured 'long-nose' Doras:
http://pub131.ezboard.com/fallboutwarfaref...icID=3179.topic
(see about middle of page)

Dénes

As I know, the captured german planes were never used in combat. They were used in training flights to imitate the enemy. Also, there was an idea to create a unit equipped with former spanish respublican pilots and german planes (for recon purposes). But it wasn't done.

P.S. My question: do anybody know about I-16's captured by Romanians and their using in training or combat purposes (photographs are welcome )?

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do anybody know about I-16's captured by Romanians and their using in training or combat purposes

Scroll up the page and you will find the info you are interested in.
There are several published photographs of some I-16s captured by Romanian troops, one of them in Rumanian Air Force: the prime decade 1938-1947 by Denes Bernad, Squadron Signal Publications, 1999, page 19.