About the I.A.R. 80

[clujanul]

Afther 1942 all airplane IAR-80 was retaired from front, and replaced with IAR-81. So, begining this period all airplane are IAR-81 BOPI.I make an interwiew with Mr. Radu Tberiu, fighter pilot of Grupul 6 Vanatoare, and instructor at Galati Fighter School. He have few magnificent photos from that period. If is somebody interested....

Title edited by Dénes

[cipiamon]

Good, i think everybody is interested about info on ARR
So can you scan the pictures?

[C-2]

Make contact with Victor,we'll be happy to put the interwiu on the site

[Florin]

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....... He have few magnificent photos from that period. If is somebody interested....

The previous sentences can also be understood that the photos may be for sale. Obviously, things will be clarified by the following posts.

[Québec]

Very interesting indeed!!!!!!!! It will be usefull for modeling!

[Victor]

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Afther 1942 all airplane IAR-80 was retaired from front, and replaced with IAR-81. So, begining this period all airplane are IAR-81 BOPI.

Not exactly, the IAR-80s was still in service even in fighting units, until 1944.

[Der Maresal]

Just slightly off topic- but not worth opening a new thread.

To Victor and Denes:

On www.arr.go.roin the Airplanes section I believe there is a small 'innacuracy' with regard to the armament of the Me-109E3 and E7.

I studied this a bit, and I have books to prove- the 109E3 (the typical Battle of Britain Fighter) has only 1 Cannon [in the nose] and not 3 as you say!
So the the Messerschmitt 109E-3 had a 20mm in the Nose, two MG's on the Engine and another 2 MG's in the Wings ~ they were not cannon but regualr MG's. Same for the E7 version.

The Messerschmitt 109E-4 had NO cannon in the nose but had 2 20mm in the Wings. In total two Machine Guns on the Engine, and two Cannons in the Wings.

I don't think there were any Messerschmitts E's, with 3 Cannons.
Later the "Gustav" could have underwing Cannon Pods attached - but were not mounted internally "inside the wing" of the aircraft.


If you look closely, (this being the 109E-3 Version) you can see the thin barrels in the wings. These are not 20mm, - they are MG 17's.
I can give reference to the book that confirms my story.

Thank you Victor and Denes for your time.

[Bernard Miclescu]

Hi Der Mareshal,

I think that your studied books were quite wrong.... The version with four MG 17 machine guns and a cannon of 20 mm was the E-2 not the E-3. The E-3 had two MG17 7,92 mm machine guns above the engine and two MG/FF 20 mm cannons in the wings (plus a 20 mm canon in the nose at the beggining of the production)

The nose canons of the E-2 and E-3 made a lot of problems to the planes so there were litteraly took off.

The E-7 version had a similar armement like the E-3 (the nose cannon beeing written off a new cowl was installed).

(cf Messerschmitt Me 109 vol 1 by A Elbied & A Jouineau at histoire&collections editions)

Yours,
BM

[Bernard Miclescu]

I forgot to tell that at the beggining the E-3 had 3 cannons one in the propeller (nose) and two in the wings each with 60 projectiles. The nose cannon was abandoned because of the vibrations made by the fire.

yours,
BM

[Der Maresal]

[quote]Hi Der Mareshal,

I think that your studied books were quite wrong.... The version with four MG 17 machine guns and a cannon of 20 mm was the E-2 not the E-3. The E-3 had two MG17 7,92 mm machine guns above the engine and two MG/FF 20 mm cannons in the wings ........[/quote]

Hi Bernard,
If the E3 has 2 Machine Guns and 2 Cannons then why would the E4 have the Exact same armament?
It is well known that the Messerschmitt 109E-4 had Two MG17 on the Engine, and two MG/FF 20mm in the Wings, with the Nose Cannon deleated.
Why would the E3 be the exact same?
:shock:

[Victor]

Diferences between different sub-types were not given just by the armament.

[Bernard Miclescu]

hi der Mareshal,

Like Victor said it wasn't only the armement that differed from the E-3 and E-4. Take a care look to the canopy and you will see some differences between the E-4 and E-3.
Also at the E-4 the hub gun didn't exist any more (normaly the E-3 were delivered with this problem cannon but it was written off from the most of the E-3 models)
Some changes on the pilots "chair" also.

Yours,
BM

[Der Maresal]

Was the IAR-80 equipped with an Automatic Fire-Extinguisher?
In the image below you can clearly see "Extinctor Automat" written on one of the upper-left pannel instruments.
(I only know Russian TB-3 has autmatic fire extinguisher in the engines (with multiple charges). But a figher plane... :shock:
http://www.il2center.com/Axis/Romania/01/I...kpit_photos.jpg