Marshal Ion Antonescu

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Not everybody masters the English language well enough, but that is no reason to pick on him. udar is clearly trying his best.

Udar could do better, even with his current English knowledge.
As I suggested earlier to Iama, it'd help much if one would type the text of his/her message in an empty word file first, which underlines the spelling errors, even suggests the proper form. Then he/she could copy and paste the message in the forum.
Of course, this doesn't help if one refers to a man with 'she', which is pretty basic.

Gen. Dénes

P.S. Not reacting to what you posted, Udar, is by no means an agreement with what you wrote...

This post has been edited by Dénes on January 22, 2005 04:59 pm

Even if is out topic,i will respond to Denes.Yes,probably i deserve his ironical "atack",and i am sorry if somebody not understend all what i write.I live in Transilvania,and Denes remarks about "he/she" make me smile and remaind me how many of peoples from hungarian minority speake our language.But,for peace of Denes,i will try in the future to be much exact,especially in such basic stuff.

Victor, thanks for YOUR translating,

The destiny of a war is played sometime on the Roulette table of the history. On the summer 1916 the war seams to by clear won by the German / Austro-Hungarian Alliance.
Despite the presence of the German troops on the right bank of the Danube with Bulgaria as their allay, the smart Romanian leaders choose the right “horse” against all the odds.
The decision was very dangerous. The Germans under Mackensen took Bucharest only in few weeks(on 6Dec.1916) after the Romanian entry in the war(27Aug.1916). The leadership fled to Iasi .This tactical sacrifice was brilliant by comparing with the choosing of the wrong side by Antonescu in WW2.

Gen. Denes:
Mr. Emil. Since you included my name (for reasons unknown to me), let me reply to some of your thoughts outlined in into your lenghty post - although it's a sensitive topic, which can easily lead to troubles for those who don't subscribe 100% to the official version.
First, the definition of the word Holocaust. I don't know which dictionary did you use, but mine (Oxford Dictionary of Current English, 1992) gives the following main definition:
QUOTE
Large-scale destruction, esp. by fire or nuclear war. [Greek holos whole, kaustos burnt].
Currently, this word is indeed applied also to the extermination of Jews by the Nazis, but not exclusively. For example, the Gypsies were exterminated the same way. That was part of The Holocaust as well (a conveniently often ignored fact). Therefore when you're referring exclusively to the extermination of Jews, you should mention the Jewish Holocaust, or even better, the already existing Hebrew word: Shoah.

EmilsAnswer:

The Jewish Holacaust was sommeting special: It was based on the ancestral hate against Jews, on their nonchristian faith, and in more recent times(XIX Century) on the accusation for „inventing“ the communism and so to dominate the entire world.
The Gypsies , Sinti ,Roma had been exterminated by the Nazis for racist reasons only and the Homosexuals as non disered people. No less bad. To execute someone you need the low,the sentence and the executer and first of all the guilt. In the Nazi regimes the low,the sentence and the executer was one and even without appeal.

I will stick to the recent history of Hungary for now. By the same logic, I can inform you that the leaders of the 1919 Hungarian Soviet-style 'Republic of Councils' was Béla Kun (born Kohn), a Jew. Also, the leader of the post-war Hungarian Communist Party and State was Mátyás Rákosi (born Roth). Also a Jew. And so on. Both systems were murderous sytems.
According to the same principle, they were foreigners as well, who lead the country. Does this matter? I don't think so.

I could go on for many more lenghts, but there is no point as I am not much interested in this topic.
I simply replied because you mentioned my name in your post and I didn;t want to be rude in not replying.

Emils Answer to Gen. Dénes,

I can say much more about this. The tragedy after the WW1 was that so many Jews had been involved in socialist and communist movements in Europe(in a far more number then their precentage in local population) and that movements even took power for short time in places like Bavaria(Eisner,Levine),Berlin(R.Luxemburg-Polish origine,K.Liebknecht), Wien, Budapest(you are right:Bela Kohn ,even sponsored by Lenin and then abandonated!), Zagreb,etc. This was their way to get the emancipation and equality in the civilized Europe.Ware their guiltiness so high?
Later the Nazi propaganda use this facts to justify the mass extermination of 6 milion Jews in Europe.

Gen.Denes:
Mr. Emil. Since you included my name (for reasons unknown to me), let me reply to some of your thoughts outlined in into your lenghty post - although it's a sensitive topic, which can easily lead to troubles for those who don't subscribe 100% to the official version.

Emils Answer:
Watt do you mean „wich can easily lead to troubles for those who don’t subscribe 100% to the official version“?

Der Maresal:
You say that Romania participated in a "totally unreasonable war even against the Bolshevik Soviet Union". If you find the entering of Romania in the war "unreasonable", how do you qualify the foreign policy of Soviet Union during that period? As for "foreigners" who lead other countries, It does not matter much that Bonaparte was Corsican, Schickelgruber Austrian, and Stalin Georgian.
I'm more concerned about my own country and the communist System that it had to endure.
Ana Pauker was not a foreigner in her own country?
Lenin and his gang who brough untold suffering upon the Russian and European people with his communist revolution were not foreigners?

Emils Answer:
See the above answer to Gen. Denes.
And more:Bonaparte was reburied in Paris on 1844 and his tomb is majestous sited in the INVALIDES-Paris , Djugashvili in the Kreml, Schikelbruber got another fate.But for their wars and crimes no body ask and send Corsicans,Georgians and Germans to GAS CHAMBERS.
Der Maresal:
Phew, thank god i'm sitting next to Chinese here in the computer library.
(they have no opinion whatsoever on antonescu or his holocaust), and I doubt they know what either one is!
They can look on my PC monitor all they like, and read all I type..they could not care less....
thank god for the Chinese

Emils Answer:

Don’t be so happy about the Chineese. Now they could not care less, but in the not so far future they will be the next empire instead USA. The combination between political power based on the principle of ONE party, ONE ruler, in one hand and free market economy in another hand is the the most powerful and dangerous recipe for mainkind. Napoleon saied :
„Do not wakup this giant“. But the western (free world) did it by moving entire production facilities to China and so demolishing their own economy and then the society.

Jeff_S:
If you think that the Nazis were unique in trying to eliminate "people pending to a specific faith and race" and that this "had no precedent in the human history and was a unique event" I would suggest that you spend some more time with your history books. Examples of genocide, ethnic cleansing, and religious hatred are sadly too numerous to list. If you need more help, and want some examples from European history to get you started, try the 30 Year's War or the Crusades. If you want something more recent, try Rwanda. Or Bosnia.

Emils Answer: Yes the Nazis were unique!

In proportion , planing, execution and location(Europe XX Century) under the will of Hitler and Mussolini to change the world not by low either by Power and Violence, were they understood the ABSOLUTE right of the STRONGER and the priciple of the jungle.Even Darwin with his Theory of Species Evolution was used by Hitler. Is that not unique?

The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party[33]
What we now call a party manifesto.[34]

1 We demand the union of all Germans in a Great Germany on the basis of the principle of self-determination of all peoples.
2 We demand that the German people have rights equal to those of other nations; and that the Peace Treaties of Versailles[35] and St. Germain[36] shall be abrogated.
3 We demand land and territory (colonies) for the maintenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.
4 Only those who are our fellow countrymen can become citizens. Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman.
5 Those who are not citizens must live in Germany as foreigners and must be subject to the law of aliens.
6 The right to choose the government and determine the laws of the State shall belong only to citizens. We therefore demand that no public office, of whatever nature, whether in the central government, the province, or the municipality, shall be held by anyone who is not a citizen.
We wage war against the corrupt parliamentary administration whereby men are appointed to posts by favor of the party without regard to character and fitness.
7 We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. If it should not be possible to feed the whole population, then aliens (non-citizens) must be expelled from the Reich.
8 Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately.
9 All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.
10 The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.
Therefore we demand:
11 That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.
12 Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13 We demand the nationalization of all trusts.
14 We demand profit-sharing in large industries.
15 We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.
16 We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalisation of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small trades people, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.
17 We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation[37] of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.
18 We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
19 We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.
20 In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.
21 The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centres, by prohibiting juvenile labour, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young.
22 We demand the abolition of the regular army and the creation of a national (folk) army.
23 We demand that there be a legal campaign against those who propagate deliberate political lies and disseminate them through the press. In order to make possible the creation of a German press, we demand:
(a) All editors and their assistants on newspapers published in the German language shall be German citizens.
( Non-German newspapers shall only be published with the express permission of the State. They must not be published in the German language.
© All financial interests in or in any way affecting German newspapers shall be forbidden to non-Germans by law, and we demand that the punishment for transgressing this law be the immediate suppression of the newspaper and the expulsion of the non-Germans from the Reich.
Newspapers transgressing against the common welfare shall be suppressed. We demand legal action against those tendencies in art and literature that have a disruptive influence upon the life of our folk, and that any organizations that offend against the foregoing demands shall be dissolved.
24 We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.
The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the principle:
COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25 In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.
The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.
The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.

All that concerns me is never to take a step that I might later have to retrace and never to take a step which could damage us in any way. You must understand that I always go as far as I dare and never further. It is vital to have a sixth sense which tells you broadly what you can and cannot do. (i.e., ‘I do what ever I can get away with’.)
Speech, April 1937 Noakes and Pridham, p.550

Cultural context
Some context from the ‘religious’ culture in which Hitler was conditioned,
taken from the ruling (ecumenical) councils of the roman church. See also The rise and fall of the Church of Rome.

Lateran Council 3 (ecumenical council 11) 1179:

“26. Jews and Saracens are not to be allowed to have Christian servants in their houses, either under pretence of nourishing their children or for service or any other reason. Let those be excommunicated who presume to live with them. We declare that the evidence of Christians is to be accepted against Jews in every case, since Jews employ their own witnesses against Christians, and that those who prefer Jews to Christians in this matter are to lie under anathema, since Jews ought to be subject to Christians and to be supported by them on grounds of humanity alone. If any by the inspiration of God are converted to the Christian faith, they are in no way to be excluded from their possessions, since the condition of converts ought to be better than before their conversion. If this is not done, we enjoin on the princes and rulers of these places, under penalty of excommunication, the duty to restore fully to these converts the share of their inheritance and goods.”
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Lateran Council 4 (ecumenical council 12) 1215
“67. Jews and ‘excessive’ Usury [5]
“The more the Christian religion is restrained from usurious practices, so much the more does the perfidy of the Jews grow in these matters, so that within a short time they are exhausting the resources of Christians. Wishing therefore to see that Christians are not savagely oppressed by Jews in this matter, we ordain by this synodal decree that if Jews in future, on any pretext, extort oppressive and excessive interest from Christians, then they are to be removed from contact with Christians until they have made adequate satisfaction for the immoderate burden. Christians too, if need be, shall be compelled by ecclesiastical censure, without the possibility of an appeal, to abstain from commerce with them. We enjoin upon princes not to be hostile to Christians on this account, but rather to be zealous in restraining Jews from so great oppression. We decree, under the same penalty, that Jews shall be compelled to make satisfaction to churches for tithes and offerings due to the churches, which the churches were accustomed to receive from Christians for houses and other possessions, before they passed by whatever title to the Jews, so that the churches may thus be preserved from loss.”
An early influence on Hitler was Feder, who had a bee in his bonnet about ‘interest slavery’. He was socialistic in his leanings and was involved in the writing of the Twenty-five Points of Hitler's Nazi Party..
It is common among those that do not grasp the intricacies of money to regard interest as a personal affront. This attitude is common among the ill-educated adherents of socialism. Like all such simplisms, it contains a scintilla of truth but little more. For further analysis, see document on banking and the mechanisms of money. Meanwhile, there is a document on economic monetary union (EMU) containing some relevant references and a reference to a standard work on economics at recommended books.
“68.Jews appearing in public
“A difference of dress distinguishes Jews or Saracens from Christians in some provinces, but in others certain confusion has developed so that they are indistinguishable. Whence it sometimes happens that by mistake Christians join with Jewish or Saracen women, and Jews or Saracens with Christian women. In order that the offence of such a damnable mixing may not spread further, under the excuse of a mistake of this kind, we decree that such persons of either sex, in every Christian province and at all times, are to be distinguished in public from other people by the character of their dress.”
This was eventually to reappear as yellow stars in Hitler’s third Reich.
“69. Jews not to hold public offices
“It would be too absurd for a blasphemer of Christ to exercise power over Christians. We therefore renew in this canon, on account of the boldness of the offenders, what the council of Toledo providently decreed in this matter: we forbid Jews to be appointed to public offices, since under cover of them they are very hostile to Christians. If, however, anyone does commit such an office to them let him, after an admonition, be curbed by the provincial council, which we order to be held annually, by means of an appropriate sanction. Any official so appointed shall be denied commerce with Christians in business and in other matters until he has converted to the use of poor Christians, in accordance with the directions of the diocesan bishop, whatever he has obtained from Christians by reason of his office so acquired, and he shall surrender with shame the office which he irreverently assumed. We extend the same thing to pagans.”
This pattern is clearly reflected in the several hundred ‘Nuremberg laws’ introduced under Hitler.

Council of Basel (ecumenical council 17) 1431-45
“[The church] firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the catholic church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church's sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and the unity of the catholic church.”
In Hitler’s state, only Christians could be Germans, while Jews faced Hitler’s version of the Inquisition, complete with the ‘elite’ band of SS enforcers in place of monks.

Anti-semitism
In my own view Hitler’s anti-Semitism stemmed from two main sources:

1 His observations of the use of anti-Semitism as an effective political tool[10] by local politicians such as Karl Lueger and Georg Ritter von Schönerer. Often, Hitler uses the word ‘jew’ as a general insult or expression of opposition, commonly identifying ‘jews’ with both ‘capitalism’ and ‘Marxism’ in the same sentence and elsewhere with three ‘vices’: democracy, pacifism and internationalism[11]. As Lueger used to put it, “I say who is a jew”[12]. Irving has even attempted to argue that Hitler was unaware of the ‘final solution’, this seems to be pressing imagination much too far. However that may be, it is clear that Hitler ran a very anarchic administration in which he set the parameters which all aspirants for approval and advancement strove to achieve. Functionaries attempted to meet the mind of Hitler, and that mind was constantly expressed in the most destructive and aggressive of terms toward ‘jews’. For my supplement on Hitler’s involvement in the holocaust see Did Hitler know about the holocaust? A psychological assessment.

2 His overwhelming hero worship of the rabidly anti-Semitic Wagner[13], in combination with the encouragement and flattery he took from attention paid to him by the Wagner family and other upper bourgeois families.
I do not believe his own later rationalizations in Mein Kampf, as they do not mesh with other evidence. I think that the effect of the fashionable anti-Semitism in early 20th century Vienna on the insecure young striver, as he struggled to gain acceptance among the upper echelons of society, turned Adolph’s head and gave him a means of rationalizing his boiling resentments and forwarding his ambitions to ‘be someone’.
It is necessary to remember that Hitler swam in a sea of casual anti-Semitism in Vienna and among the ‘polite’ society in which he developed. As Germany steadily lost the First World War, so the population searched for rationalizations for their failure. Anti-Semitism was a handy, ‘fashionable’ and a widespread cultural affectation in Germany. Without civil strife and cultural anti-Semitism, Nazism was very marginal; only with both did it gain power. Hitler’s anti-Semitism only coalesced over a long period, the focus being given by the rabid writings of Ford .
Humans tend to do what works. German audiences responded to Hitler’s hysteria. Thus, the hysteria was reinforced by practical political ‘successes. Hitler could never have risen to power without fertile ground for his messages of rationalized ‘hatred’ and romanticized hubris.
The attacks upon ‘Jews’ enabled the vast appropriation of assets to pursue war aims and to reward cronies at various levels. These attacks also provided a ready source of slave labor. Much of the assets were laundered through the Swiss banking system[14].
Hitler’s anti-Semitism became muddled with ‘racism’. This he muddled further with simplistic ideas of survival of the fittest and Hobbesian ‘nature red in tooth and claw’. Where, like Saint-Simon, Marx saw a struggle between classes, Hitler saw a struggle between races.[14a] Both these viewpoints are essentially foolish and simplistic. Evolution works through the individual, not through groups. Survival operates essentially through individuals, not alone by ‘struggle’ but by the fortune of better adaptation. Das Kapital and Mein Kampf (My Struggle) were written after the Origin of Species, but in neither case do the authors adequately grasp the message of Darwin. Darwin’s message is too complex to enter into here in detail. See also Why Aristotelian logic does not work on this site. Dawkins’ Selfish Gene gives a useful popularisation, but even that is not sufficiently cautious.

For something of the flavor of the time and place, Hitler’s Vienna by B. Hamann is a possibility

Adolph through his own words:
“It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations.”
Sir WinstonChurchill, 1930
My intention is to produce here the actual expressions of Hitler without added rhetoric. I am quite content to rely upon the reality that any half-sane reader is more than able to judge the undesirability of the appalling destruction generated by the criminal NSDAP regime.
It is surprising to me that, as far as I am aware, there is no useful collection of quotations from Hitler.
“Neither threats nor warnings will prevent me from going my way. I follow the path assigned to me by Providence with the instinctive sureness of a sleepwalker. My destination is the peace rooted in the equal rights of the nations.”[Munich, 14 March 1936]
Domarus, [38]
“If twelve or fifteen thousand of these Jews who were corrupting the nation had been forced to submit to poison-gas, just as hundreds of thousands of our best German workers from every social stratum and from every trade and calling had to face it in the field, then the millions of sacrifices made at the front would not have been in vain.”
Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp.373-374 [39]
Many of the quotations which follow are from Fest.
Fest is very interesting as he produces journalistic sketches of the leading cast of the NSDAP. He writes with much rhetoric as he denigrates Hitler.
(Sources given by Fest are shown in brackets following source in Fest.)
“The idea of struggle is as old as life itself, for life is only preserved because other living things perish through struggle. In this struggle, the stronger, the more able, win, while the less able, the weak, lose. Struggle is the father of all things. It is not by the principles of humanity that man lives or is able to preserve himself above the animal world, but solely by means of the most brutal struggle.”
Fest, p.27 (Speech at Kulmbach on 5 February 1928, quoted in Hitler, A Study in Tyranny)
I include this quote as a typical exemplar of the mundane nature of Adolph’s education and thinking. There is a surfeit of such among his words.
He also had strange ideas confusing ‘blood’ of a ‘nation’ with genetics. Such confusions are still common among the ignorant.
Elsewhere, he said “I think I am one of the most musical people in the world”.
7 September 1932; Ward Price, G; I know these dictators; London, 1938; p.20 (quoted in Domaras)
“The chief function (of propaganda) is to convince the masses, whose slowness of understanding needs to be given time in order that they may absorb information; and only constant repetition will finally succeed in imprinting an idea on their mind ... The success of any advertisement, whether of a business or a political nature, depends upon the consistency and perseverance with which it is employed.”
Fest, p.39 (Kubizek)
“I am ready to swear six false oaths every day.”
Fest, p.52 (Rauschning)

“My time in prison was my university at the expense of the state.”
Fest, p.53 (Frank. See also Kershaw, p.240)
“If I had any inkling in 1924 that I should become Reich chancellor I would never have written Mein Kampf.”
Fest, p.54 (Frank)
Marxism ... denies individual worth ... and replaces [it] by numerical mass.”
Fest, p.55 (Mein Kampf)
“The media fabricates more than two thirds of public opinion from which the foam of the parliamentary Aphrodite rises.”
Fest, p.56 (Fest gives no source)
“I lead the movement alone, and no one shall set me conditions so long as I personally bear the responsibility.”
Fest, p.59 (Quoted by Heiden)
“When I resume active work it will be necessary to pursue a new policy. Instead of working to achieve power by an armed coup we shall have to hold our noses and enter the Reichstag against the catholic and Marxist deputies. If outvoting them takes longer than outshooting them, at least the results will be guaranteed by their own constitution! Any lawful process is slow. But sooner or later we shall have a majority – and after that Germany.” [While in Landsberg prison.]
Fest, p.60 (Lüdecke)
“The masses are like an animal that obeys instincts.”[40]
Fest, p.64 (Mein Kampf)
“The masses of our people, whose sheepish docility corresponds to their want of intelligence.”
Mein Kampf, p.335
“These tactics are based on an accurate estimation of human frailties and must lead to success, with almost mathematical certainty.” [An attitude typical of the psychopath[41]]
Mein Kampf, p.34
“Only the fanaticised masses can be guided.”
Fest, p.65 (Fest gives no source)
“Once in power I will never let power be taken from me.”
Fest, p.68 (Fest gives no source)
“The NASDAP Party must not serve the masses, but rather dominate them.”
Mein Kampf, p.260
“What luck for the rulers that men do not think.”
Fest, p.70 (Fest gives no source)
“This is the miracle of our age, that you have found me, that you have found me among so many millions! And that I have found you, that is Germany’s good fortune!”
Fest, p.70 (Fest gives no source)
“Human solidarity is imposed upon men by force and can be maintained only by the same means.”
Fest, p.71 (Picker, entry for 11 April, 1942)
“No country was ever ruined by its debts.”
Fest, p.76 (Picker, entry for 4 May, 1942)
To his lawyer: “Let us test the power of the law against my bayonet.”
Fest, p.79 (Fest gives no source)
“There can therefore be but one slogan: Victory! If we win, the billions we have spent will weigh nothing in the scales.”
Fest, p.82 (Picker, entry for 12 April, 1942)
“Morality is stupidity or decadence.”
“Everlasting peace will come to the world when the last man has slain the last but one.”
Frank
“I shall give a propagandist reason for starting the war, whether it is plausible or not. The victor will not be asked afterwards whether he told the truth or not. When starting and waging war it is not right that matters, but victory.”
“Close your hearts to pity. Act brutally. Eighty million people must obtain what is their right. Their existence must be made secure. The strongest man is right.”
Record of the address to the commanders of the Wehrmacht on 22 August 1939, the so-called second speech
Nuremberg trial proceedings, XXVI, 1014–PS
“I am Europe’s greatest actor.”
Fest, p.84 (Lutz Graf Schwerin von Krosigk, Es geschah in Deustchland.)
On watching the silent crowds during a military parade in Berlin during the Sudeten crisis, 1938:
“I can’t wage war with this nation yet.”
Fest, p.86 (Remark recorded by Walter Hewel, in Kordt, Erich, Nicht aus den Akten. Die Wilheimstrasse in Frieden und Kreig. Erlebnisse, Begegngen und Eindrücke 1928 – 1945, Stuttgart, 1950)
“Cities will become heaps of ruins; noble monuments will disappear forever. This time our sacred soil will not be spared. But I am not afraid of this.”[Pre war]
Fest, p.87 (Rauschning )
“The Führer is the supreme judge of the nation….there is no position in the area of constitutional law in the third reich independent of this elemental will of the Führer.”
J. Noakes and G Pridham (editors), volume 2: State, Economy and Society 1933 – 1939, a documentary reader
“National socialism derives from each of two camps the pure idea that characterises it:
National resolution from bourgeois tradition;
vital, creative socialism from the teaching of Marxism.” [January, 1934]
Schoenbaum, p.57

Introduction & Editorial Notes
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On January 30, 1942, Hitler reaffirmed to the German public his prewar prophecy that a world war would result in the destruction of Jewry. Three days later, in private, he told Himmler and other evening guests:
Today we must conduct the same struggle that Pasteur and Koch had to fight. The cause of countless ills is a bacillus: the Jew. . . . We will become healthy if we eliminate the Jew.
--(Hitler's speech in the Sportplast on 30 Jan. 1942, reprinted in Max Domarus, Hitler, Reden und Proklamationen 1932-1945. Munich, 1965, II, 1,828-29; Adolf Hitler, Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941-1944: Die Aufzeichnungen Heinrich Heims. ed. Werner Jochmann, Hamburg, 1980. 293, 2 Feb. 1942)
Two months later Hitler associated himself completely with Himmler's broad plans for Germanization of the East. According to what Gottlob Berger heard from a firsthand source, Hitler told a group of officers whom he decorated with the Iron Cross with oak-leaf cluster:
I know exactly how far I have to go, but it is so that the whole East becomes and remains German--primeval German [urdeutsch] . . . We don't need to express our ideas about that now, and I will not speak about it. That [task] I have given to my Himmler and he is already accomplishing it.
--(Berger to Himmler, 10 April 1942, NA RG 242, T-175/R 127/2649922)
Here was the politician calculatingly allowing subordinates to carry out his dirty work. . . the nature of which would become clear all too soon . . . (Breitman, 234-35).
After the assassination (mid-1942) of Reinhard Heydrich, Hitler's Reich Protector of Bohemia-Moravia, the destruction of the Jews in the Government General (Poland) became formally known as "Operation Reinhard," in a final tribute to the slain Nazi. This document will outline the history and effectiveness of the Reinhard camps.
Arad's preface offers these reflections:
BELZEC, SOBIBOR, & TREBLINKA: An integral part of the Nazi killing machine in occupied Poland--these camps served one purpose, and one purpose only--the total destruction of the Jewish people.
The Nazi leaders adopted and executed a deliberate and massive campaign of genocide which has been documented beyond dispute and is accepted by an entire world, excepting only those Neo-Nazi elements cloaking their continuing hatred of the Jewish people in pseudo-historical nonsense.
The existence of Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz, Maidanek, Chelmno and others is beyond question. The purpose for which these camps were created is also beyond question. (Request reinhard preface.arad)
This article is the result of the combined effort of many, and contains data from myriad sources. I would like to acknowledge the assistance of the subscribers to the Holocaust Research Information List. Without their contributions, this document could not have been written.
The Third Reich is Karl May's ultimate triumph, the ghastly realization of his dreams. It is according to ethical and aesthetic standards indistinguishable from his that the Austrian house-painter, nourished in his youth by Old Shatterhand, is now attempting to rebuild the world.
»One of the most ardent Karl May fans was a certain goodfor-nothing from Br[a]unau, Austria, who was to rise to impressive heights. Young Adolf was seriously smitten by Karl May, whose works were his favorite, if not his only reading, even in later years. His own imagination, his whole notion of life, was impregnated by these Western thrillers. The cheap and counterfeit conception of "heroism" presented by Karl May fascinated the future F u e h r e r; he loved this primitive but effective shrewdness: the use of "secret weapons" and terrible tricks, such as carrying prisoners as shields, the brutal conning of wild animals in the jungle; he was delighted by the glorification of savages. Lazy and aimless, Adolf was perfectly at home in this grisly labyrinth created by a morbid and infantile brain. What the unsuccessful Austrian painter and potential dictator chiefly admired in Old Shatterhand, was his mixture of brutality and hypocrisy: he could quote the Bible with the greatest ease while toying with murder; he carried out the worst atrocities with a clear conscience; for he took it for granted that his enemies were of an "inferior race" and hardly human - where as he, Old Shatterhand, was a superman, called by god to destroy evil and promote the good. Being the militant incarnation of all good and noble principles, anything he did was necessarily good and noble: his cruelty was praised as heroism, his lack of morals interpreted as admiriable ingenuity. The depraved ambitious youth from Br[a]unau was convinced that that was the way to be. He could see no reason why Old Shatterhand's convictions and tactics should not work if applied to national and international politics. One might conquer civilization by going back to the principles of the jungle. . . .

And now surprize :My mother tongue is German so for German readers:

Die Jahre nach dem Erstem Weltkrieg waren gepragt von einer Krise der Demokratie und des liberalen Systems in Europa,von einem wahren Siegeszug von Diktatur und Totalitarismus.Zwischen dem faschistischen “Marsch auf Rom“ und der nationalsozialistischen Machtergreifung etablierten sich in Europa bereits zahlreiche autoritare bzw. faschistische Regimes.Romanien war nicht allein:Bulgarien(1923 Regierung Zankov durch Militar Pursch an die Macht); Spanien (Sep.1923Diktatur des General Primo de Rivera};Turkei(Okt.1923 Mustafa Kemal Ataturk Einparteiherrschaft);Albanien(1925);Polen(1926 Marschall Pilsudski Offizierputsch);Portugal(General gomes da Costa).

For all of yous who are trying to renew the cult of Antonescu because he fight with hes army to take back the „stollen“ Bessarabia and Bucovina in reality conceded on the „Green Table“ by Romanian Leaders under Nazis pledge to gain them back with big interest ,in reality Antonescu push Romania in a honey trapefull with blood and ashes not only for the Jews but more for the ROMANIAN PEOPLE.
Was this worth?.

Victor: Posted on Jan 21 2005, 10:45 AM

People have different interests in history. Some may prefer studying Neanderthals or the African slave trade. Others WW2. Discovering the truth and learning isn't something wrong in my book.

Emils Answer:
May be by studying Neanderthals we can understand the behavior and decisions made by Antonescu. I have a huge weakness for history(not for this wroten in the communist era); may be because in the high school in Romania my teacher for history was Mr. Grubea a former assistent of Nicolae Iorga. Hes lessions did’nt come from official books!

Best regards,

Emil

Radu, I suggested how to improve your English skills for your (and everyone's) benefit, so people would understand better what you actually want to say. It has nothing to do with where you live, what ethnic minorities live around you, etc. But I see from your previous posts that you always try to steer the discussion towards a nationalistic/extremist side. Good luck with your agenda.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on January 22, 2005 07:07 pm

Dear Denes,first,thank you for your advice,and,second,sorry if i let you the impresion i am a nationalist and extremist .Even if my familly have to suffer in time of 1940-1944 period,when hungarians ocupied a part of Transilvania,i cant tell i hate all hungarians,or all strangers,or whatever you think.I make that comparation because i see i make it same mistake with "he/she"in english,like hungarians in romanian language.I am not try to start a nationalist fight.

By the same argument Spain, by the Spanish Inquisition, has done ethnic cleansing in the Middle Age of Europe.

Does the Jews Holocaust extends to the Stalin purges program after the war, that was aimed at the Jews in the Soviet Union?

Hi Alexandru!
As a new member in this Forum and searching all opinions i'm glad meet your position.
Emilcernauti

The big achievement was to manage the survival of Romania as a state with official institutions, including an operational army. Most European countries simply ceased to exist as states in those troubled years.
So the common Romanian living the daily life in 1940...1944 had some rights as citizen of a functional real state, rights which would not exist if that area would be a "no mans land" occupied by Germany, or later by Russia.

About the statues... I am afraid we returned with the mentality to the times of the Inquizition and of the Spanish conquistadors, who destroyed any work of art not good from their point of view. This contemporary pressure of some certain groups and organizations to order to the rest of the world what is good and what is wrong will not lead to something good, believe me.
My question started from my quote from Najroda... Because of that, I may say: Do the Hungarians want to install statues of Horthy and Sallasi inside their borders? This is not my problem. The fact that actually there are no statues of them, as Najroda said, is not my problem, either. If there would be some statues, this also is not my problem, since Hungary is an independent country.
A statue is a piece of bronze or stone. It doesn't move, it doesn't bite, and it is built on the expense of the locals, not on the expense of a foreign country.

Mr. Florin,
The erecting of Antonescus statue is to give inspiration for Neonazis! Even when she is not biting.

Emilcernauti

Unfortunatelly for Romania in 1940, the Soviet Union definitely wasn't "the right side"

As we have "The thread of stupid questions", my question is:

What is wrong in having the statue of Antonescu exposed in the Romanian streets?
By the way... I am serious.

And 2nd question: It is true that at least in the past (the 50's...the 70's), there was a statue of Antonescu erected in Tel Aviv, Israel, to commemorate the fact his regime was not so harsh with the Romanian Jews?

Mr. Florin,
One of the consequences of smashing the Nazi beast(This cost a huge toll of lives and goods;in your Foto Galeries had you ever seen the destroyed cities of BERLIN,DRESDEN,HAMBURG,KOLN,KASSEL,WARSOW,KIEV,KHARKOV,
STALINGRAD,HIROSHIMA,NAGASAKI the dead camps from AUSCHWITZ,TREBLINKA,SOBIBOR,MAIDANEK and more...?),by the ALLIES was the establishment of the STATE OF ISRAEL.

How can you ask the provocative question about the erection of the statue of the Hitlers ally, ANTONESCU in TEL-AVIV? For you and all people,the capital of the state of ISRAEL is JERUSALEM.
The old times(for some people the good times) when the communist regim from Bucharest sayed instead the STATE OF ISRAEL the regim from Tel-Aviv are finally gone on 25 December 1989.

Best regards,
Emilcernauti

I don't see any serious argument to ban the Antonescu't statue.

WW2 history is not a simple story good vs evil. There are reason for any action.

Mr,Udar

The CONDUCATOR CEAUSESCU was trying to buildup herselfs reputation by reabilitating another CONDUCATOR(Antonescu). Ask Eugen Barbu...
Even the Stalins cult of personality was shadded.
Ceausescu invent the National Communism and Romanian people suffered the worst postbelic period under his rule.
Do you remember the:Pretioasele indicatii date de Conducatorul nostru...?.
For you Pacepa was a traitor? In my opinion he was an hero and technically he was an defector.
Best regards

Emil Cernauti

You know only lies about our great hero and martyr, for you words like Basarabia, Bucovina, Herta mean nothing, but for us, the Romanians, mean everything: the lands where our forefathers are buried, lands for wich our ancestors fought and died, lands now where our Brothers live under slavic rule - our lands, Romanian lands.

I see that you know nothing about fascism - it was in Italy, only in Italy: in Germany there was nazism, in parts related to fascism, Antonescu couldn't have been fascist or nazi 'cause he wasn't copying those regimes.

It it wasn't for him I would have written in russian this lines.

Mr. Le Conducator!!!!

In the edition from 1919(it's not a mistake) of the booklet:ROMANII,originea,trecutul,sacrificiile si drepturile lor,Antonescu wrote:
.....Un viitor conflict armat,provocat de aceasta chestiune,nu este exclus,si atunci,ori sintem invinsi si pierdem tot Banatul,ori invingem si luam pe linga Torontal tot tinutul Timocului,unde sint in mare numar romani...
....Astazi Austria a disparut.Procesul dintre noi si ruteni va fi in curind lichidat
prin baionetele care se vor insira cu fata catre Galitia pe fruntariile lui Stefan cel Mare.
...Toti aceia care au venit in Bucovina nechemati de noi si trimisi de altii sa-si faca bagajele si sa plece inainte de a fi poftiti s-o faca.....
What a profecy(1919) , like Hitler in MEIN KAMPF(1923)....
We can see that Antonescu was in between 1940/1944 the right man on the right place.
On the 1941/1943 the Jews passed the same fate but without to give them the"right" to made their baggages. Antonescu was an perfectionist.

Best regards,
Emilcernauti.

As we have "The thread of stupid questions", my question is:

What is wrong in having the statue of Antonescu exposed in the Romanian streets?
By the way... I am serious.

And 2nd question: It is true that at least in the past (the 50's...the 70's), there was a statue of Antonescu erected in Tel Aviv, Israel, to commemorate the fact his regime was not so harsh with the Romanian Jews?

I PERSONALLY THINK THAT ANTONESCU WASN'T ANY BETTER THAN ADOLF AND IF HE HAD AS MUCH POWER AS THE NAZZIES HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A WAR CRIMINAL AS HILTER AND HIS BOUNCH OF CRIMINALS ENDING UP AT THE NURENBERG TRIAL AFTER MUSSOLINI STANDING ON WAR CRIMINALS RANKING NR 3 BY COUNTRIES. THANKS GOD THEY GOT RID OF HIM EARLY ENOUGH. FINALLY SIR SINCE YOU TALK ABOUT HIS STATUE IN TEL AVIV , I DONT ONLY THINK THAT'S A POOR JOKE OF YOURS, BUT IS AN INSULT TO THIS FORUM TOPICS ..BECUASE THE TOPICS ARE NOT RELATED TO REVIVAL OF FASCISM OR NEO NAZZISM BUT AAR AND ROUMANIAN ARMED FORCES IN WWII WHO WERENT NAZZIES NOR WERE RELUCTANT TO BE !!!

To alexkdl,

I can say more:The place for idividuals like Florin is not in this decent FORUM.
We all are in year 2005 ,far away from the crueltys WW2 time.

Best regards,
Emil