Marshal Ion Antonescu

Well, its seems that the jewish from Palestine were very good students of Antonescu s quotes .... after Balfour declaration .... and especialy after 1948.

Mr Emilcernauti lets remind that scene when Jesus said Who is without any sin can rise the stone [to break the women s head].

emilcernauti, avoid offensive remarks directed to other members. You may combat their opinions with arguments, but not with affronts.

Dan Po, let's keep the discussion on topic and not stray into post-WW2 and current events.

You are right.

I am not a slave of prejudice. I love people for what they are and deeply hate them for the way they develop. I shall always keep a cheerful face, even in the face of disasters, I won't run from my troubles and I shall always ignore advice from people older than me. I love my age because it's the age of discovery, of radicalism, of revolutionary thought, of hormons, of insanity, of energy. This is my last smile, before entering that cruel age, in which you follow somebody else's dreams, in which you become content with the world. In which you are nothing more than a rotting corpse. Don't steal this away from me, by pretending that it's not proper. I wouldn't give a damn about anyone's standards.

Don't try to reason with me, Florin. It's useless. I have given up these lies a long time ago because I discovered that they were meaningless to my own existence. My 25,000 days on this world will be over soon and I have no intention of trying to behave after a screwed and moronic standard. As far as I am concerned, everyone else is a big ZERO, who don't have neither valuable opinions nor true existences. They are only puny shadows, evaporating little by little as time goes by. All their political conflicts, life-changing experiences, ideas or creations are nothing but repeating patterns on my retina.

Ok, to get back to the topic. Ion Antonescu, who doesn't even deserve the "Marshal" title, was one of the many disasters that struck our country in the previous century. In my opinion, he deserves a rightful place among his hated enemies, the communists. I don't want to live in a city that houses one of his statues and I don't want to take longer routes to my destination just to avoid looking at his face. I'm sorry that Indrid never had the guts to write everything his grandfather told him about the war. And I'm also sorry certain passages were cut off (because of their cruelty). I agree, they were cruel, but then, so is the war that is depicted in the veteran stories. If we choose to omit, well, I don't see why veterans would even talk to us about their experiences. Read the famous Eugen Ionesco letter from 1946 concerning the fate of his famous generation (Cioran, Eliade, Noica, Sebastian, Vulcanescu) and try to envision Romania of 1950, inhabited by people like them as leaders, and not as fugitives and lost cases. What the nationalism did in the 30s and 40s is this...what I see around me (or, in your case, Florin, what you once saw).

For the poverty, for the human tragedy, for the ecological trash can, for everything bad in this country, I blame Codreanu and his generation, Antonescu and his generation, Dej and his generation, Ceausescu and his generation and the post-1990 generation, for all the great mistakes that costed us, and our children, so dearly. This is not about compromise, this is not about reform, this is not about NATO or UE, this is about their legacy. This is what my small battle is all about: their demise from every historical record, their passing in a world of forgetfulness, from which they may never return. Amen.

Alexandru!
You are the hope for the future of human,free and democratic Romania,WAKINGUP from the dark times of the CONDUCATORI.(1940-1989)

Emilcernauti

Dear Mr. Emilcernauti,i think you exagerate with your hate against Antonescu.And i think you exagerate too with your complains about how much suffer jews,especially in WW 2,and what good and smart persons there is in fact.Nobody says that Holocaust dont exist,or jews was not mass murdered,but is not the only peoples who suffer a genocide.Why you still complain about this,but not say about racist action against palestinians,who is practicated by israelians.About Marshall Antonescu,ofcourse,he was a controversate personality,with bad and good points,but he want just to defend his country,and to rebuild this country,and survive in that dangerous times.He was a hero for this,and even die for this.He deserve more than a statue.The fact he continue the war against USSR,in east,is not wrong,from military point of view.When the fight is start,you must defeat totally your enemy.Otherwise the enemy will counter atack,and mabe will continue until destroy you.And whay you say nothing about jews who go in Palestina,in that period,with help of Antonescu regim?Or about jews from Romania who was not deported in nazi`s cocentration camps,and survive well in Romania under Antonescu rull?They even not go to war,in front line,but stay home.And about ex-general Pacepa,yes,was a traitor,not only an defector.You can tell me what eroic things he do for he`s country?

Order no. 225 / 4.07.1941

Translation:

The disorder that happened several days ago in Iassy put the army and the in a authorities in a singularily unfavorable light.
With the occasion of evacuation of Bessarabia it was a true disgrace that the Army allowed to be insulted and attacked by Jews and communists without reaction.
The disgrace is even greater when isolated soldiers, by their own initiative, and in several cases wishing to plunder or harm, attacked the Jewish population and killed randomly, like it happened in Iassy. (…)
It is not admissible that each citizen or soldier takes the matter in his own hands to solve the Jewish problem by plunder and massacre. By such methods, we show to the world that we are an undisciplined and uncivilized people and we put the authority and prestige of the state into an unfavorable light.
I therefor stop any action started by individual initiative and the civil and militar authorities are made entirely responsible for this order to be followed.
Crimes like this are a shameful stain for the entire Romanian people and later other generations than those that commited them, will have to pay for them.
Those who will not obey this order will be judged by the court of laws and will receive the most severe punishments according to the law.
General Antonescu.

Ion Antonescu - Memoir of 15 May 1946

Translation:

Being behind the front at Tighina, one evening I was walking in the street. When I came close to the castle, which was occupied by the Germans, I heard screams and gunshots. Sending colonel Elefterescu to see what it is happening, he reported that Jews are being shot.
I summoned general [Arthur] Hauffe, the German attaché with our headquarters, to call the German supreme headquarters and I told him: “If those crimes against Romanian citizens on Romanian territory do not cease immediately, I transmit Fuhrer and I pull Romania out of the war.”
The massacres ceased, like they ceased in Iassy following my personal request when the Jews were being killed by Germans and Iron Guard members.

Ion Antonescu - Memoir of 15 May 1946

Translation:

I deported the Jews from Bessarabia and Bukovine for political and military security and for their own safety.
I showed above that, taking advantage of confusion, many Jews passed through the front line. The state security demanded not to let them pass in the country, especially in the capital city. The security services reported that many of them were instructed in special schools of espionage and had radio transmission devices on them (have been found).
The general headquarters asked their lockup for military security reasons. I have ordered the building of the ghetto at Kishinev, where Jews caming from the burned villages around the city, crowded.
I established the ghetto also because in Kishinev all buildings were ruined except the Romanian town, and the Romanian people did not accept to shelter them at any cost. The Jews from the village of Balti were put in a camp in a forest at the outskirts of the city.
The village Balti was completely burned. The fires were put, by the testimonies of Romanian population, by the Jews who carried the orders of the Russian military commanders, while the Romanians refused to carry these orders. The Romanians were very angry with the Jews because the attitude of the Jews during the Soviet occupation. I remember here that Bukovine, and the region Balti, Soroca and Kishinev were the strongest nazi and antisemite centres, supported by the “cuzisti” and “codreanisti” in their disorders.
Together with the Germans, they were plotting a Romanian version of St. Bartholomew.
Having in mind what had happened in Iassy, at Tighina and at Floresti, without our will and intentions, I decided to take them (the Jews) out of the paths of the reserves moving to front and of the German columns, and to send them in northern Transdnestra.
The operation of their evacuation was demanded by military commanders too. It is known that all armies evacuates the population behind the front on a depth of 30-40 km. I did the same with Romanians. The Germans asked to hand them all the Jews for labor in Germany. I refused.
These are the causes that stand behind the deportation of the Jews.
The way the deportation was accomplished was miserable, especially because of the state of spirit that existed then.
Also there was the early and harsh winter, which caused victims also to the armies and to Russian population fleeing to Ural Mountains because of the invasion. This was also the cause for which the Germans lost the battle of Moscow. The Jews in transit fell to the winter too. The peasants did not shelter in their houses. Guilty for this situation were those responsible to carry out the evacuation, because they did not stopped the columns.
I ordered an investigation and the report is known. A colonel chief of staff and a captain were stripped of their ranks and sent to front as simple soldiers, where they fell heroically. Other sanctions were carried out.
It is certain that had I left the Jews in place, they would have been killed by the Germans with the help of some terrorist fanatics among Romanian population. (…)
1,120 communist Jews were deported. In country we needed order. The military headquartes demanded the arrest of all those marked on their lists as communists.
As I knew the abuses when establishing those lists, abuses of the police and acts of revenge, I demanded to be send only those that were convicted.
I did not know how the military operations would unfold. The entire Jewish population and the communists would have risked their lives of the German-Russian operations would have taken place on our territory.
This is the issue of deportations.
We are not the only country to take such measures. The Russians deported in 1942 the entire German population of Volga and , in 1945 as punishment, the entire Tatar population of Crimea, even if both populations were established in republics.

Where did you get this order of day? It seems the author of the respective book left out an important part, which completely alters the meaning of the order. See page 95 of Razboi si societate by Alexandru Dutu and Mihai Retegan, RAO, 2000

The "(...)" is in fact:

And the translation:
The Jews sucked dry, empoverished, speculated and stopped the developement of the Romanian Nation, for several centuries. The need to get rid of of this plague is undeniable, but only the Government has the right to take the necessary measures. These measures are in the process of being applied and wil continue according to the norms I will decide.

As you see, it gives a totally different idea about what Antonescu meant.

The source is Revista de istorie militara 5(11)/1991.

Fortunatelly, we see that in time the Romanian military historians give a more and more complete and objective depiction of our history.

Thanks for finding this out.

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Who was the author of the article?

Adrian Pandea and Eftimie Ardeleanu

Other excerpts from Revista de istorie militara 4(10)/1991, article: "1940-1944 Holocaustul evreilor din Romania?!" by Constantin Botoran

Israel Gutman, scientifical director of Yad Vashem institute of Jerusalem: