Antonescu the Warrior

Dear administration, Dear Dragos,
Thanks a lot for translating my letter to Florin.

I took a long walk in your forum and I’m surprised that so many energy is spend in the heritage and the melancholic remembrances of the Romanian participation on this totally unreasonable war even against the Bolshevik Soviet Union. And more I’m sad to see your”posting people” using Wehrmacht’s LOGO’S.

Romania and France were on the same level of the economic power (per capital) in 1938.
After the WW1 Romania got a lot of territory when she was blessed by great leaders like:
Titulescu (Foreign Afaires) and I.C. Bratianu (P.M.). A smart vision from them to delay the entrance of Romania, only in 1916 and to the right side, brought the big territorial achievements after the war. The first was the declaration from Alba-Iulia on 01Dec.1918 only 3 weeks after the final end of the war (11Nov.1918).
But these achievements misunderstood and misused by opening a nationalistic and later (in the late ‘30s) an anti-Semitic atmosphere(one of them was the Numerus Clausus used in Universities and even in the Romanian Soccer team), leads to the Antonescu’s regime and the coalition with Germany, Italy, and Japan (23Nov.1940) . In a very short time:
1. On 01Sep.1940 on the meeting with Iuliu Maniu they decide to form a new government and force the abdication of the King Carol the second.
2. On 06Sep., after more steps, Antonescu forced the King to abdicate on the same day, and to leave Romania for ever. The slogan was :Trebuie sa salvam Statul si Natiunea. (In the spirit of the Goebel’s propaganda.
3. On 14Sep. Romania is proclaimed as national legionary state.
4. On 29Sep. Romania stepped out from theBalcanic Convention.
5. On 12Oct. begun the arriving of the Nazi German war mission.
6. On 14-16Nov. Antonescu’s visit in Italy and meeting with Mussolini.
7. On 22-24Nov. Antonescu’s visit in Germany and two meetings with (the first time) with the Nazi leader.
Antonescu was totally engaged in the expansion ideology promoted by the Nazis and miscalculating the fact that contrarily to France ,Romania has had a big and hostile neighbor in the EST.
The temptation to regain Basarabia and to believe in Hitler’s promises and even to get more territories over the Nester make Antonescu to offer the Romanian army and the so reach Romania to the German DEVIL. On the 22June the slogan was: Ostasi treceti Prutul…. And the naïve soldiers did it. The price was huge. About 400000 Romanian soldiers ware butchered at Stalingrad and other battle fields.
At this time the Antonescu’s army and gendarmes deported the Jews from Bukovina and Bassarabia over the Prut to TRANSNISTRIA. I and my family was there, Antonescu too……
The “reason” was that under the Soviet administration(less than one year-1940/1941) the Jews collaborated with the Soviets.
``Blinded by a criminal furor, (some) Romanians engaged in the implementation of the infamous Nazi project of the `final solution,' '' Romanian President Emil Constantinescu said in a written message to a Bucharest synagogue.
Romania admits to its role in Hitler's 'final solution'
No Clean Hands: The Antonescu Regime and its Anti-Jewish Policies (1941-1944)
The destruction of more than 270,000 Romanian Jews is a lesser known chapter of the Holocaust. The regime of Marshal Antonescu (1940-1944) has an ambivalent record of slaughter of Jews and reluctance to participate in the deportations to the death camps operated by the Nazis. This was very convenient for the historiographers of the Ceausescu era: to ignore the former and uphold the latter, supporting in this way the multilateral official revival of Romanian nationalism. According to their version, anti-Semitism did not characterize any Romanian government, and the Jews were protected during World War II. At the communist era people was saying: Camarade nu fi trist Garda merge inainte prin Partidul communist.
And now to Mr. Florin: However the biggest mistake made by the Nazis (Hitler) was to declare War to the U.S.A. after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor (07Dec.1941).The same mistake made the Admiral Horty and so Hungary lost for ever the claim about Transylvania. This mistake give me the possibility to write this rows to you and for you to be in New Jersey, because this brought the entrance in war of the U.S.A. without needing the approval from the Congress. Sincerely are you sorry about the mistakes made by the German (Nazi) leadership?
Supposing they didn’t made the mistakes mentioned by Florin and win the war, watt kind of Great Romania would rise sponsored by the THIRD REICH FOR NEXT 1000 YEARS? This was unknown for the big patriot,Antonescu?
In all, the Romanian 4th Army committed to the battle of Odessa 340,223 military (12,049 officers, 9,845 NCOs and 318,329 troops) of whom it lost 90,020 military (3,345 officers – 28%, 1,385 NCOs - 14% and 85,200 troops - 27% dead, wounded and missing). During the combat actions 70,000,000 infantry cartridges, 26,000 grenades and 830,000 artillery shells were fired.
Dan Po
Posted: Apr 22 2004, 02:35 AM




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in acording with Romanian General Headquarter, the romanian army lost in the eastern front 624,740 men :

71,585 KIA
230,280 WIA
297,821 MIA .
Victor
Posted: Apr 22 2004, 03:11 PM




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This count excluded the men of the Tudor Vladimirescu Division from the total number of MIAs

The official count for MIAs was 309,533. One should note however that this figure included about 130,000 men taken POWs by the Red Army after 24 August, when Romania was not at war with the SU. They continued to do so until September.

I recommend you and also Der Maresal (North-West Europe-are you hiding something?);Denes (Canada) and even to Mr. Iamandi and Cantacuzino, in your next trip to Bucharest to visit the Jewish Cemetery(Giurgiului) and see the seizures Tombstones from Jewish Cemeteries in Ukraine as a testimony of the atrocity’s committed in Odessa.
And now a few words about the big sponsor of Antonescu: the FUHRER ;something else:
The common thing for Bonaparte,Djugashwili and Schikelgruber, is that they all had been foreigners in they countries : a Corsican, a Georgian and an Austrian who leads foreign countries and their armies to butchery.
Germany was the cradle of the two satanic ideologies: The Communism and the Nazism.
In the year 1933 the Jews ware only 1% in the entire Germany and almost totally assimilated to the German life style and culture. They never ask to create a Jewish state in Germany with the capital in East Berlin!!
They gave a huge contribution to the raising of the German Science and Culture. Germans burned out their books.
H.Heine said: who is burning books will burn human beans. And in 12 years the Jews ware eradicated in Germany and almost in all Europe.
And now 60 years after the WW2 you have in Germany 12% of non Germans (Moslems and Asians and Africans, most of them refugees) with out any linkage to the German culture and past. ( See attachment)
. This is the punishment for the HOLOCAUST.
List of German Jews
The Jewish presence in Germany, at over 1600 years old, predates that of Christianity. A "Golden Age" in the first millennium saw the emergence of the Ashkenazi Jews, while the persecution and expulsion that followed the Crusades led to the appearance of Yiddish and an overall move eastwards (though Jews never fully abandoned Germany). A change of status in the 17th century, combined with the Jewish Enlightenment – the Haskalah – meant that by the 1920s Germany had one of the most integrated Jewish populations in Europe, comprising over 500,000 people, and contributing prominently to German culture and society. The vast majority was either killed in the Holocaust or left, and the current German Jewish population consists primarily of immigrants from the former Soviet Union. The following is a list of some prominent German Jews.
Scientific Figures
Physicists
• Hans Bethe, nuclear physics, Nobel Prize (1967) (Jewish mother)
• Max Born, quantum mechanics, Nobel Prize (1954)
• Albert Einstein, theoretical physics, Nobel Prize (1921)
• James Franck, quantum physics, Nobel Prize (1925)
• Walter Heitler, quantum mechanics
• William & Caroline Herschel, astronomers (father 'of Jewish descent')
• Heinrich Hertz, electromagnetic radiation (Jewish father)
• Ernst Ising, statistical mechanics
• Fritz London, quantum mechanics
• Leonard Mandel, quantum optics
• Albert Michelson, measured speed of light, Nobel Prize (1907)
• Rudolf Peierls, solid state theory
• Arno Penzias, co-discoverer of CMB, Nobel Prize (1978)
• Karl Schwarzschild, physicist & astronomer
• Jack Steinberger, particle physics, Nobel Prize (1988)
• Otto Stern, experimental physicist, Nobel Prize (1943)
Chemists
• Adolf von Baeyer, industrial chemist, Nobel Prize (1905) (Jewish mother)
• Heinrich Caro, industrial chemist
• Arthur Eichengrün, chemist
• Fritz Haber, developed the Haber process, Nobel Prize (1918)
• Viktor Meyer, organic chemist
• Leonor Michaelis, biochemist
• Ludwig Mond, chemist & industrialist
• John Polanyi, chemist, Nobel Prize (1986) (Jewish father)
• Rudolf Schoenheimer, biochemist
• Otto Wallach, chemist, Nobel Prize (1910)
• Richard Willstätter, chemist, Nobel Prize (1915)
Biologists
• Konrad Bloch, biochemist, Nobel Prize (1964)
• Ernst Chain, developed penicillin, Nobel Prize (1945)
• Ferdinand Cohn, pioneer in microbiology
• Paul Ehrlich, developed magic bullet concept, Nobel Prize (1908)
• Arthur Eichengrun, possible inventor of aspirin
• Heinz Fraenkel-Conrat, biochemist
• Ernst Gräfenberg, obstetrician, the G-Spot
• Henry Heimlich, inventor of the Heimlich maneuver
• Bernard Katz, biophysicist, Nobel Prize (1970)
• Hans Kosterlitz, discovered endorphins
• Hans Adolf Krebs, biochemist, Nobel Prize (1953)
• Jacques Loeb, physiologist
• Otto Loewi, pharmacologist, Nobel Prize (1936)
• Fritz Lipmann, biochemist, Nobel Prize (1953)
• Otto Meyerhof, biochemist, Nobel Prize (1922)
• Oskar Minkowski, physiologist
• Otto Warburg, physiologist, Nobel Prize (1931) (Jewish father)
• August Paul von Wassermann, developed the Wasserman test
Mathematicians
• Felix Bernstein, set theory
• Richard Brauer, modular representation theory
• Georg Cantor, set theory (Jewish father)
• Moritz Cantor, historian of mathematics
• Richard Courant, mathematical analysis & applied mathematics
• Max Dehn, topology
• Adolf Fraenkel, set theory
• Hans Freudenthal, algebraic topology
• Alexander Grothendieck, algebraic geometry, Fields Medal (1966)
• Felix Hausdorff, topology
• Eduard Heine, analysis (unconfirmed)
• Heinz Hopf, topology (Jewish father)
• Adolf Hurwitz, mathematician
• Carl Gustav Jakob Jacobi, analysis
• Leopold Kronecker, number theory
• Edmund Landau, number theory
• Rudolf Lipschitz, mathematician
• Hermann Minkowski, geometrical theory of numbers
• Emmy Noether, algebra & theoretical physics
• Richard Rado, combinatorics
• Abraham Robinson, nonstandard analysis
• Klaus Roth, diophantine approximation, Fields Medal (1958)
• Arthur Moritz Schönflies, mathematician
• Issai Schur, mathematician
• Otto Toeplitz, linear algebra & functional analysis
Moldova
• Gary Bertini, conductor
• William F. Friedman, cryptographer
• Samuel Bronfman, founder of Seagram
• A. N. Frumkin, electrochemist
• Nahum Gutman, painter
• Boris Katz, artificial intelligence researcher
• Lewis Milestone, director
• Lev Simonovich Berg, geographer & zoologist
Romania
Political figures
• Martin Abern, U.S. politician
• Silviu Brucan, politician & dissident
• Michael Howard, U.K. politician (Romanian parents)
• Alex Kozinski, U.S. judge
• Ana Pauker, communist leader
• Petre Roman, Prime Minister (Jewish father)
• Elena Wolff, mistress of King Carol II of Romania
• Michael Howard, Leader of the opposition in the UK
Academic figures
• Nicolae Cajal, virologist & Jewish community leader
• Solomon Marcus, mathematician
• Isaac Jacob Schoenberg, mathematician
• David Wechsler, psychologist
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Film and stage
• Lauren Bacall, actress (Romanian mother)
• Israil Bercovici, playwright
• I.A.L. Diamond, screenwriter
• Dustin Hoffman, actor (Romanian mother)
• John Houseman, actor (Jewish father)
• Marin Karmitz, director, producer
• Maia Morgenstern, actress
• Edward G. Robinson, actor
Musicians
• Sergiu Comissiona, conductor
• Miriam Fried, violinist
• Alma Gluck, soprano
• Clara Haskil, pianist
• Yoel Levi, conductor
• Radu Lupu, pianist (unconfirmed)
• Silvia Marcovici, violinist
• Joseph Schmidt, cantor, tenor, actor
Writers and poets
• Paul Celan, poet
• Andrei Codrescu, poet
• Eugene Ionesco, playwright (Jewish mother)
• Isidore Isou, poet
• Irving Layton, poet
• Gherasim Luca, poet
• Mihail Sebastian, playwright
• Tristan Tzara, dadaist
• Elie Wiesel, writer, Nobel Peace Prize (1986)
Artists
• Victor Brauner, painter
• Marcel Iancu, architect & painter
• Daniel Spoerri, dancer (Jewish father)
• Saul Steinberg, cartoonist
Miscellaneous
• Kid Cann, mobster
• Julius Popper, explorer
• Moses Rosen, rabbi
• Meir Shapiro, rabbi
• Richard Wurmbrand, evangelical Christian minister (born Jewish)
Sports
• Leon Rotman, canoeist (2 Olympic golds, 1 bronze)
• Angelica Rozeanu, table tennis world champion

And for people living in the U.S.A.:
List of Jewish American scientists
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
This is a list of Jewish American scientists.

Physicists
• Ralph Alpher, background radiation
• John Bahcall, astrophysicist
• Hans Bethe, nuclear physicist, Nobel Prize (1967) (Jewish mother)
• Felix Bloch, nuclear physicist, Nobel Prize (1952)
• David Bohm, quantum physicist, philosopher of science
• Leon Cooper, BCS theory, Nobel Prize (1972)
• Martin Deutsch, positronium
• Bryce DeWitt, "many-worlds" interpretation
• Albert Einstein, theoretical physicist, Nobel Prize (1921)
• Richard Feynman, quantum physicist, Nobel Prize (1965)
• David Finkelstein, physicist
• James Franck, physicist, Nobel Prize (1925)
• Edward Fredkin, digital physicist
• Herbert Friedman, solar X-rays
• Jerome Friedman, physicist, Nobel Prize (1990)
• Margaret Geller, astronomer
• Murray Gell-Mann, quarks, Nobel Prize (1969)
• Sheldon Glashow, physicist, Nobel Prize (1979)
• Donald A. Glaser, bubble chamber, Nobel Prize (1960)
• Thomas Gold, cosmologist (Jewish father)
• Daniel S. Goldin, NASA administrator
• Samuel Goudsmit, electron spin
• David Gross, string theorist, Nobel Prize (2004)
• Alan Guth, cosmic inflation
• Robert Hofstadter, physicist, Nobel Prize (1961)
• Theodore von Kármán, aeronautical engineer
• Daniel Kleppner, atomic research
• Leon M. Lederman, physicist, Nobel Prize (1988)
• David Morris Lee, superfluidity, Nobel Prize (1996)
• Albert Libchaber, chaos theorist
• Fritz London, quantum chemistry
• Theodore Maiman, first operable laser
• Ben Roy Mottelson, physicist, Nobel Prize (1975)
• Albert Michelson, speed of light, Nobel Prize (1907)
• Robert Oppenheimer, nuclear physicist
• Douglas D. Osheroff, superfluidity, Nobel Prize (1996)
• Abraham Pais, historian of science
• Wolfgang Pauli, nuclear physicist, Nobel Prize (1945) (Jewish father, half-Jewish mother)
• Arno Allan Penzias, background radiation, Nobel Prize (1978)
• Martin Lewis Perl, physicist, Nobel Prize (1995)
• H. David Politzer, physicist, Nobel Prize (2004)
• Isidor Isaac Rabi, physicist, Nobel Prize (1944)
• Simon Ramo, physicist, engineer
• Frederick Reines, neutrino experiment, Nobel Prize (1995)
• Burton Richter, physicist, Nobel Prize (1976)
• Carl Sagan, astronomer & science popularizer
• Edwin Salpeter, astronomer
• Arthur Schawlow, laser spectroscopy, Nobel Prize (1981) (Jewish father)
• John Schwarz, string theorist
• Melvin Schwartz, physicist, Nobel Prize (1988)
• Emilio G. Segrè, anti-proton, Nobel Prize (1959)
• Julian Schwinger, quantum physicist, Nobel Prize (1965)
• Lee Smolin, loop quantum gravity
• Gerald Soffen, NASA scientist
• Alan Sokal, Sokal affair
• Jack Steinberger, physicist, Nobel Prize (1988)
• Otto Stern, physicist, Nobel Prize (1943)
• Andrew Strominger, string theory
• Leonard Susskind, string theory
• Leo Szilard, nuclear physicist
• Edward Teller, nuclear physicist
• Immanuel Velikovsky, controversial writer on cosmology
• Steven Weinberg, electroweak force, Nobel Prize (1979)
• Stephen Wiesner, quantum cryptography
• Victor Weisskopf, physcist
• Eugene Wigner, quantum physicist, Nobel Prize (1963)
• George Zweig, quarks
Chemists
• Christian B. Anfinsen, biochemist, Nobel Prize (1972) (converted)
• Sidney Altman, chemist, Nobel Prize (1989)
• Paul Berg, biochemist, Nobel Prize (1980)
• R. Stephen Berry, physical chemist
• Herbert C. Brown, chemist, Nobel Prize (1979)
• Melvin Calvin, calvin cycle, Nobel Prize (1961)
• Erwin Chargaff, DNA pioneer
• Morris Cohen, metallurgist
• Camille & Henry Dreyfus, cellulose acetate, founders of Celanese
• Kasimir Fajans, isotopes, identified protactinium
• Walter Gilbert, DNA sequencing, Nobel Prize (1980)
• Henry Gilman, organometallic chemist
• Victor Moritz Goldschmidt, geochemist
• Norman Hackerman, chemist
• Herbert A. Hauptman, chemist, Nobel Prize (1985)
• Alan J Heeger, chemist, Nobel Prize (2000)
• Roald Hoffmann, chemist & writer, Nobel Prize (1981)
• Martin Kamen, Carbon 14
• Jerome Karle, chemist, Nobel Prize (1985)
• Martin Karplus, theoretical chemist
• Walter Kohn, physicist, Nobel Prize (1998)
• Izaak Kolthoff, analytical chemist
• Phoebus Levene, nucleic acid pioneer
• Rudolph A. Marcus, chemist, Nobel Prize (1992)
• Jacob A. Marinsky, discovered promethium
• Herman Mark, polymers (half Jewish)
• George Olah, chemist, Nobel Prize (1994)
• Irwin Rose, biologist, Nobel Prize (2004)
• William Stein, biochemist, Nobel Prize (1972)
Biologists & Physicians
• Richard Axel, olfactory system, Nobel Prize (2004)
• Julius Axelrod, neurotransmitters, Nobel Prize (1970)
• David Baltimore, reverse transcriptase, Nobel Prize (1975)
• Baruj Benacerraf, immunologist, Nobel Prize (1980)
• Konrad Bloch, cholesterol, Nobel Prize (1959)
• Baruch Blumberg, hepatitis B vaccine, Nobel Prize (1976)
• Michael S. Brown, molecular geneticist, Nobel Prize (1985)
• Stanley Cohen, neurologist, Nobel Prize (1986)
• Stanley N. Cohen, genetic engineering
• Gerty Cori, biochemist, Nobel Prize (1947)
• Jared Diamond, evolutionary biologist & biogeographer
• Carl Djerassi, contraceptive pill
• Gerald Edelman, biologist, Nobel Prize (1972)
• Gertrude Elion, drug development, Nobel Prize (1988)
• Joseph Erlanger, physiologist, Nobel Prize (1945)
• Edmond H. Fischer, biochemist, Nobel Prize (1992) (half Jewish)
• Judah Folkman, cancer angiogenesis
• Casimir Funk, vitamins
• Robert F. Furchgott, pharmacologist, Nobel Prize (1998)
• Herbert Gasser, physiologist, Nobel Prize (1945) (half Jewish)
• Alfred G. Gilman, biochemist, Nobel Prize (1994)
• Avram Goldstein, opiate receptors
• Joseph L. Goldstein, molecular geneticist, Nobel Prize (1985)
• Michael Gottlieb, Joel Weisman, early identifiers of AIDS
• Paul Greengard, neuroscientist, Nobel Prize (1990)
• Stephen Jay Gould, evolutionary biologist & writer
• Michael Heidelberger, immunochemist
• H. Robert Horvitz, biologist, Nobel Prize (2002)
• Jerome Horwitz, AZT
• Eric R. Kandel, neuroscientist, Nobel Prize (2000)
• Carl Koller, local anesthesia
• Arthur Kornberg, DNA replication, Nobel Prize (1959)
• Eric Lander, Human Genome Project
• Joshua & Esther Lederberg, molecular biologists, Nobel Prize (1958)
• Rita Levi-Montalcini, neurologist, Nobel Prize (1986)
• Jay Levy, AIDS researcher
• Richard Lewontin, evolutionary biologist
• Fritz Lipmann, coenzyme A, Nobel Prize (1953)
• Otto Loewi, acetylcholine, Nobel Prize (1936)
• Salvador Luria, bacterial evolution, Nobel Prize (1969)
• Lynn Margulis, Gaia theory
• Matthew Messelson, DNA replication
• Otto Meyerhof, glycolysis, Nobel Prize (1922)
• Stanley Miller, Miller-Urey experiment
• Irving Millman, viral hepatitis vaccine
• Hermann Muller, geneticist, Nobel Prize (1946) (half Jewish)
• Daniel Nathans, microbiologist, Nobel Prize (1978)
• Marshall Nirenberg, genetic code, Nobel Prize (1968)
• Gregory Pincus, contraceptive pill
• Stanley Prusiner, neurologist, Nobel Prize (1997)
• Martin Rodbell, biochemist, Nobel Prize (1994)
• Albert Sabin, oral polio vaccine
• Jonas Salk, polio vaccine
• Andrew V. Schally, endocrinologist, Nobel Prize (1977)
• Albert Schatz, streptomycin
• Béla Schick, diphtheria test
• Rudolf Schoenheimer, radioactive tracers
• Solomon H. Snyder, opiate receptors
• Adolphus Solomons, co-founder of the American Red Cross
• Leo Sternbach, valium
• Howard Temin, reverse transcriptase, Nobel Prize (1975)
• Max Tishler, synthetic vitamins
• Harold Varmus, virologist, Nobel Prize (1989)
• George Wald, retina pigmentation, Nobel Prize (1967)
• Selman Waksman, streptomycin, Nobel Prize (1952)
• Charles Weissmann, interferon cloning
• Rosalyn Yalow, medical physicist, Nobel Prize (1977)
• Charles Yanofsky, geneticist
Mathematicians
• Kenneth Appel, four-color problem
• Richard Bellman, dynamic programming (half Jewish)
• Salomon Bochner, harmonic analysis
• Raoul Bott, geometry (half Jewish)
• Richard Brauer, modular representation theory
• Eugenio Calabi, differential geometry
• Paul Cohen, set theorist, Fields Medal (1966)
• Richard Courant, algebraic topology
• George Dantzig, simplex algorithm
• Martin Davis, mathematician
• Persi Diaconis, statistician
• Jesse Douglas, mathematician, Fields Medal (1936)
• Samuel Eilenberg, category theorist
• Noam Elkies, mathematician
• Charles Fefferman, mathematician, Fields Medal (1978)
• Mitchell Feigenbaum, chaos theorist
• William Feller, probability theory
• Michael Freedman, mathematician, Fields Medal (1986) (half Jewish)
• Solomon Golomb, polyominoes
• Paul Halmos, mathematician
• Mark Kac, mathematician
• Edward Kasner, mathematician
• Martin Kruskal, mathematician
• Peter Lax, mathematician
• Solomon Lefschetz, algebraic topology
• Norman Levinson, mathematician
• Barry Mazur, mathematician
• Louis Mordell, number theorist
• Emil Post, logician
• Herbert Robbins, statistician
• Abraham Robinson, nonstandard analysis
• Isadore Singer, mathematician, Abel Prize (2004)
• Richard P. Stanley, mathematician
• Elias Stein, mathematician
• Alfred Tarski, logician
• Stanislaw Ulam, mathematician
• André Weil, mathematician
• Edward Witten, M-theory, Fields Medal (1990)
• Oscar Zariski, algebraic geometry
Computer Scientists
• Hal Abelson, artificial intelligence
• Norman Abramson, ALOHAnet
• Len Adleman, RSA cryptography, DNA computing, Turing Award (2002)
• Paul Baran, packet switching
• Yehoshua Bar-Hillel, machine translation
• Dan Bernstein, cryptologist (unconfirmed)
• Manuel Blum, computational complexity, Turing Award (1995)
• Gregory Chaitin, algorithmic information theory
• Peter Elias, information theory
• Robert Fano, information theory
• Edward Feigenbaum, artificial intelligence, Turing Award (1994)
• William F. Friedman, cryptologist
• David Gelernter, parallel computation, Unabomber victim
• Adele Goldberg, Smalltalk design team
• Herman & Adele Goldstine, developers of ENIAC
• Shafi Goldwasser, cryptographer
• Martin Hellman, public key cryptography
• Douglas Hofstadter, academic & author (half Jewish)
• Bob Kahn, TCP/IP
• Richard Karp, computational complexity, Turing Award (1985)
• John Kemeny, BASIC
• Leonard Kleinrock, packet switching
• Joseph Kruskal, Kruskal's algorithm
• Solomon Kullback, cryptographer
• Raymond Kurzweil, OCR, speech recognition
• Leslie Lamport, LaTeX
• Jaron Lanier, virtual reality
• Douglas Lenat, artificial intelligence
• Leonid Levin, computational complexity
• John McCarthy, LISP, Turing Award (1971) (Jewish mother)
• Marvin Minsky, artificial intelligence, neural nets, Turing Award (1969)
• John von Neumann, computer scientist, mathematician & economist
• David Parnas, software engineering
• Seymour Papert, LOGO
• Ken Perlin, fractal noise
• Alan J. Perlis, compilers, Turing Award (1966)
• Lawrence Rabiner, digital signal processing
• Frank Rosenblatt, perceptrons
• Jean E. Sammet, language design
• Bruce Schneier, cryptographer
• Herbert Simon, cognitive & computer scientist, Turing Award (1975)
• Abraham Sinkov, cryptanalyst
• Gustave Solomon, error correction
• Ray Solomonoff, algorithmic information theory
• Richard Stallman, GNU, FSF
• Gerald Jay Sussman, Scheme
• Leslie Valiant, parallel computing
• Andrew Viterbi, Viterbi algorithm
• Peter J. Weinberger, awk
• Joseph Weizenbaum, ELIZA, artifical intelligence critic
• Avi Wigderson, randomized algorithms
• Norbert Wiener, cybernetics
• Terry Winograd, SHRDLU
• Jacob Wolfowitz, information theory
• Lotfi Zadeh, fuzzy logic (half Jewish)
Inventors
• Robert Adler, remote control
• Zora Arkus-Duntov, father of the Corvette
• Ralph Baer, games console
• Emile Berliner, gramophone
• Richard Frenkiel & Joel Engel, cellular technology
• Joseph Friedman, flexistraw
• Charles Ginsburg, video recorder
• Joseph Gerber, inventor
• Leopold Godowsky, Jr. & Leopold Mannes, Kodachrome
• Sylvan Goldman, shopping cart
• Peter Goldmark, LP record, color television
• Gordon Gould, laser
• Al Gross, pager, walkie-talkie (unconfirmed)
• Dean Kamen, inventor (unconfirmed)
• Arthur Korn, pre-fax
• Hedy Lamarr, spread spectrum communication
• Robert Langer, biotechnology
• Edwin H. Land, polaroid
• Julius Lilienfeld, pre-transistor
• Stanford Ovshinsky, inventor
• Ron Popeil, inventor
• Jacob Rabinow, inventor
• Harold Rosen, geosynchronous satellite
• Raymond Scott, sequencer, portable synthesizer
Best regards,
Emilcernauti.

A visit to that Jewish cemetery for some of us ( Christian religion) will be with no results. I was in a jewish cemetery in Campina near Cimitirul eroilor and I didn't understand o word from the tombstones.

Cheers,
Dan.

What are you try'n to do with that poll?

And a personal thing:

- im not an rasits, im not against jews - if you want to hear that, but if you are a jew, let me tell you something, with all respect you may want: why you hide from tens of years behind Holocaust? "Dumnezeu sa ii ierte pe evreii morti, cat si pe cei ce le-au fost calai". But this is history, mr.! More romanians suffered because of otoman empire, than jews in Holocaust and for that reason you believe - we, romanian subscribe in turkish forum to acuze him for what was in history? Or - hey, italians, Traian caused the end of Dacia? You see, in a topic with Tidal Wave, are guys who don't use every message to acuse americans... but colect history parts. And, you, what are you try to do with your messages? Im sure , even after 10000 years you are not stop complaining - sorry, was hard and a lot of sufference - but you read about native american history? about every nation history? for every nation was hard time in history. You think we subscribe in russian forums to acuse russian guys for the fact that are russians and Stalin and comunists caused sufference to our familys? Or we acuse him because they had red stars in theyr avatars? Because red star means something for our memorys??? Or because deep in history we and russians fight?
Hey you, polish guys from this forum, please be with eyes down, because if Poland don't interfer with Romania in history, we may had better situation...

And i finish here with: why just you are hidding behind Holocaust, and other nations take history just for what it is ? Why you don't see other things, more important: Germany, Italy , Japan are big powers like in that time, and germans, italyans, and japanese guys don't gice a ... for that events? And you acuse ...
You heard about sclavery? More black persons suffered for that, than jewish in Holocaust! And i dont see black peoples subscribing in foriegn forums just for writing acuses!
I believe Holocaust. Was a bad thing. I do not have the proper words to exprime my feelings. But we are not owing you nothing! Like turkish dont ow nothing to countrys were they was "masters". Clear? Be more mature, mister, don't live in past...

With respect for jewish sufference,

but with disrespect for persons who are not stop complaining, whising to obtain more-and-more behind that subject, and for extremist.

Iulian IAMANDI

Some points.

The purpose of this site and forum is intended to keep alive the interest in Romanian military history. We do not promote any ideology, nazist, fascist, communist or other. Do you think it is wrong to study and keep alive the interest in history?

You say that Romania participated in a "totally unreasonable war even against the Bolshevik Soviet Union". If you find the entering of Romania in the war "unreasonable", how do you qualify the foreign policy of Soviet Union during that period?

I find this hard to believe. Romania was behind at least from industrial power.

I don't think the Romanian anti-semitism lead to the coalition with the Axis forces. In fact until 1940, the Romanian foreign policy was orientated towards France and Great Britain. It was the international context and the isolated position of Romania in face of aggressions of her neighbors that lead to an agreement with Germany.

Antonescu was never tempted to gain territories beyond Dniester. It did not accept Hitler proposal to annex Transdnestra to Romanian Kingdom. Transdnestra was only under Romanian administration (occupation). After regaining Bessarabia and N. Bukovine, Antonescu attention was towards the lost part of Transylvania.

If you have objections against the crossing of the Prut river, it is not the case to blame or offend the soldiers, whose duties were to respect orders.

While it is true and sad that Romanian army participated in war crimes against Jews, and the Jews were persecuted during the Antonescu regime, the figure of 270,000 killed is not very well established and quite high in my opinion. See the following topic: http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showtopic=689&st=105

Well, your question isn't complete.
Was Antonescu wrong about what? A person's acts cannot be always wrong, just like they can't be always right.

Was Antonescu wrong about deporting all remaining Jews from Bessarabia and a part of those in Northern Bukovina and Dorohoi? Was he wrong for creating a ghetto at Cernauti? Was he wrong to accept the administration of Trans-Dnestra?Was he wrong for not punishing the executions carried out by some Romanian units in June-July 1941 that were revenging the humiliations suffered in thesummer of 1940 on inocent people?

Yes, he was. The Communists in Bessarabia, including those of Jewish nationality, that acted the way they did in the summer of 1940, most likely retreated with the Red Army. Those left behind were inocent people, that ended up suffering and dying for what others did. These decisions of Antonescu and the people that carried them out need to be known and pointed out.

Was he wrong for fighting for what he and most Romanians considered rightfully theirs?

I don't belive he was. Romania was in a situation, when it had no other alternative than to ally itself with Germany. The idea of the Soviet danger wasn't his invention. It had been in Romanian minds for many years. During the inter-war period there was a trend in the Romanian diplomacy to develop closer ties with Germany as well, economically at first and diplomatic later. It was a Great Power that could have offered help against the Soviet Union. In 1941, Germany was on the wave and seemed that noone could stand in its way and there was no one else to guarantee the Romanian frontiers. Antonescu did not love the Germans, as he was a reknown Anglophile, it was just Realpolitik.

As I stated in another thread, once engaged in the war, the possibility to stop at the Dnister did not exist anymore. What he could have done was to limit the number of Romanian troops he sent and not get engaged in the "who supports Germany more" competition with Hungary.

People have different interests in history. Some may prefer studying Neanderthals or the African slave trade. Others WW2. Discovering the truth and learning isn't something wrong in my book.

Btw, I translated your post, not Dragos.

Letter to Iulian Iamandi and Dan Cantacuzino.

The word HOLOCAUST in Greek means Burning Slaughtered Bodies. Exactly watt the Nazis have done. Nobody can separate the military operations on the WW2/ Eastern Front from the deportations and exterminations of the Jews. This premeditated and planed slaughtering (see MEIN KAMPF and WANNSEE CONFERENCE) and the entire extinguishing of people pending to a specific faith and race had no precedent in the human history and was a unique event.
Are you trying to justify this by mentioning atrocities committed in the far past?
Remember the HOLOCAUST was done on the soil of EUROPE the most advanced
And now about the words on Jewish tombstones: There is etched the name of the dead person and Odihneasca-se in pace si fiei pomenirea vesnica.Well known for all us!
The Jewish sufferance is spread in ashes and in unknown tombs in haul Europe and I’m a person who said: never forget and never forgive, I survived.
May be I survived because the quality of the Romanian people is far to be so serious, not in the Nazi era, and even not in the Communist era. Good bless the tolerant Romanian people!
And now about slavery:
During a domestic flight from N.Y. to Atlanta on late October 1998 (During the Wye Plantation Meeting) I was sited near to a toll Euro American in the business class. After realizing my origin he feels the need to raise my mood by saying: Now my president (Bill Clinton) and your Prime Minister (Benjamin Netanyahu) will settle the conflict. Despite his convincing statement, I asked him from his origin. He was one of the 5th generations of Irish settlers in America. Then I said: The settlers commit in the past 3
big sins:
1. They ROB the land from the natives so called Indians.
2. They EXTERMINATED them and even confined them in reservations.
3. They HUNT Black people in Africa (now so called Afro Americans), brought them to the cotton plantation and exploit them as SLAVES.
Till the landing in Atlanta I didn’t hear anything from my neighbor.
Till now the F.B.I. is quite about me!!

Best regards and a nice weekend,

Emilcernauti

We can judge a person like Ion Antonescu. The history had allready this.

this was a question

Look my friend Emil, my father was born and lived ( until warII) in a small moldavian village with many jews around him. He used to told me stories and jokes with his jews neighbours wich most of them were shops owners and not land workers. At 19 years was incorporated in the army and at 21 was in the first line to cross the River Prut with "Divizia Romania Mare". He was very proud to be one to eliberate his moldavian brothers from the comunist red army ocupation in Basarabia. Because he was a soldier and not a politician he knows that to have back our stollen teritories the enemy must capitulate and sign the papers that Basarabia it's no longer a soviet property ( btw. had someone arheological artefacts with slave origin life on this land before moldavians )so he continue to fight and was wounded near "Cotul Donului" Stalingrad.
When you said that antonescu army robbed the jewish tombstones you indirectly accused my father who was in that army. After been recovered in hospital my father got back in the army and went this time on the west front to eliberate Transilvania ( from nazis and horthist's) and again was wounded in Tatra mountains. So what I want to said is that most of the romanians were in the fight for a good reason ( to get back their stollen lands and eliberate their brothers) and not for holocaust or robbing tombstones from cemeteries. If you have doc.,photo for specific acts to demonstrate your theories, please do. Otherway please don't accuse all the romanians ( soldiers or not) for the holocaust.
With respect,
Dan.

There are known cases of executions carried out by Romanian soldiers during the early phases of Barbarossa. However, generalizing is unproductive. Here are some examples:

Cpt. Ioan Stihi from the 6th Vanatori Regiment ordered the execution of 60 Jews from Tg. Sculeni in the village of Stanca (despite the pleas of the local priest to evacuate them inland). The official report stated that Russian weapons and grenades were found in their possession. The same regiment executed 400 men and women in Marculesti. The reported said that around 80 were wounded and that proved that they fought against Romanian troops without a uniform.

In Herta, soldiers under the command of Gheorghe Vartic, from the 7th Infantry Division, executed at least 132 men and devastated the houses of around 1,500 Jews.

Mr. Emil. Since you included my name (for reasons unknown to me), let me reply to some of your thoughts outlined in into your lenghty post - although it's a sensitive topic, which can easily lead to troubles for those who don't subscribe 100% to the official version.

First, the definition of the word Holocaust. I don't know which dictionary did you use, but mine (Oxford Dictionary of Current English, 1992) gives the following main definition:

Currently, this word is indeed applied also to the extermination of Jews by the Nazis, but not exclusively. For example, the Gypsies were exterminated the same way. That was part of The Holocaust as well (a conveniently often ignored fact). Therefore when you're referring exclusively to the extermination of Jews, you should mention the Jewish Holocaust, or even better, the already existing Hebrew word: Shoah.

You wrote:

I will stick to the recent history of Hungary for now. By the same logic, I can inform you that the leaders of the 1919 Hungarian Soviet-style 'Republic of Councils' was Béla Kun (born Kohn), a Jew. Also, the leader of the post-war Hungarian Communist Party and State was Mátyás Rákosi (born Roth). Also a Jew. And so on. Both systems were murderous sytems.
According to the same principle, they were foreigners as well, who lead the country. Does this matter? I don't think so.

I could go on for many more lenghts, but there is no point as I am not much interested in this topic.
I simply replied because you mentioned my name in your post and I didn;t want to be rude in not replying.

Gen. Dénes

This post has been edited by Dénes on January 21, 2005 05:05 pm

May I ask what your purpose is, in starting this thread (and mysterious "poll") on this forum? Is it just to point out that evil deeds were committed in the past, and some of them were committed by people who are related (by family or nationality) to people who are alive today? I feel comfortable saying all of the members of this forum already know this. It's difficult to study history and miss this fact. The moderators make a special effort to exclude revisionism about the Holocaust, and they back up their words with actions. No such protection is given to discussion of Stalin's victims, or Japanese atrocities in China, or those who died from American bombing (atomic or conventional)... anyone can deny that any of these events even took place, and we rely on the other members to point out their foolishness. So the suffering of Hitler's victims already gets special attention.

If you think that the Nazis were unique in trying to eliminate "people pending to a specific faith and race" and that this "had no precedent in the human history and was a unique event" I would suggest that you spend some more time with your history books. Examples of genocide, ethnic cleansing, and religious hatred are sadly too numerous to list. If you need more help, and want some examples from European history to get you started, try the 30 Year's War or the Crusades. If you want something more recent, try Rwanda. Or Bosnia.

As for your history lesson for your American neighbor in flight, I do not know the details of his background, so I cannot say how much he benefitted from it. Certainly the Irish have been victims many times in their history (yes, and persecutors too). The impact of European settlement on Native Americans and the effects of slavery are not exactly unexplored topics in American history. Even school children know about them.

You indicated that Benjamin Netanyahu was your Prime Minister, which suggests you are Israeli. It is true that Israel as a political entity has only had 56 years to build a record of violent or peaceful actions... not very long by historical standards. But it has certainly worked hard to make up for lost time. It may surprise you to know that Israel is considered by many to have "robbed land from the natives" (Palestinians) and "confined them in reservations". Yes, the West Bank and Gaza are not technically reservations, but I think the distinction is lost on many of the residents.

And if you think the FBI cares about you pointing out the bloody side of European expansion in the America, or the fact that slavery used to be legal and practiced by some, you are fooling yourself. As I said earlier, these facts are not exactly state secrets or censored topics in the USA.

It's not my intention to waste the time of this forum's members by dragging the Arab-Israeli conflict into it. If they want to debate that, there are plenty of better places to do it. I really am just puzzled by your post and its "poll". (I'm tempted to start a poll with a question of "Evil: Good or Bad?").

This post has been edited by Jeff_S on January 21, 2005 05:33 pm

Is the purpose of this thread to monitor the level of Romanian antisemitism on this forum, and then to report it to the Jewish community in romania that will later make a report to show the level of intolerance is on the rise, and action should be taken? ??

Why such a question, why such a poll?
I see by the results -5 votes pro-antonescu, and 1 vote againt (I suppose you'r the one that voted Yes), this poll is already classified as antisemitic.
Let's be serious here.

As for "foreigners" who lead other countries, It does not matter much that Bonaparte was Corsican, Schickelgruber Austrian, and Stalin Georgian.

I'm more concerned about my own country and the communist System that it had to endure.
Ana Pauker was not a foreigner in her own country?
Lenin and his gang who brough untold suffering upon the Russian and European people with his communist revolution were not foreigners?

Phew, thank god i'm sitting next to Chinese here in the computer library.
(they have no opinion whatsoever on antonescu or his holocaust), and I doubt they know what either one is!
They can look on my PC monitor all they like, and read all I type..they could not care less....
thank god for the Chinese


This post has been edited by Der Maresal on January 21, 2005 07:20 pm

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You say that Romania participated in a "totally unreasonable war even against the Bolshevik Soviet Union". If you find the entering of Romania in the war "unreasonable", how do you qualify the foreign policy of Soviet Union during that period?

Successful.