Efficient armed forces!

[Dénes]

And don't forget the atomic bombs Israel keeps denying as having

[mabadesc]

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Israel would resist with no problems on the military frontlines... as it is today.

I'm not so sure of that. The only way, in my opinion, that Israel could resist to a combined Arab attack would be by using its nuclear arsenal. But nuclear weapons are more efficient as a deterrent rather than used as practical combat weapons.

[mg 42]

there is no way the organization & discipline of the Israelis can be surpassed by the arabs.

[Chandernagore]

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I'm not so sure of that.  The only way, in my opinion, that Israel could resist to a combined Arab attack would be by using its nuclear arsenal.

But they did it without nukes in 48, 67 & 73.

The reverse would be more true

[C-2]

The IDF has the best reseved in the world.
All men after their military servis,(between 3-5 years)do each year till they 50 about 40 days of instruction and combat activities.
The arab countries has no chance even with combined forces .
I can't take it out of my mind,how in the first days of Yon Kipur,a tank division of rezervists,led by Yossi Peled,equiped with ww2 Shermans stopped a whole Iraki division with latest Soviet models tanks.Those guys after darkness came ,kept fighting even withiout night vision gear.After finishing the amo,they didn't retreat and moved along the front until their fuel was ended.Even then they kept their turets moving in order to keep the Irakies at range.
At morning the Irakies retreated.None of the israeli Shermans was operational then. That kind of fight was never seen evan in ww2!

[Florin]

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And don't forget the atomic bombs Israel keeps denying as having  :lol:

I mentioned them in one post, some months ago.
Israel keeps the cores in one location, and the shells (with control equipment) in another location. So practically in any moment, they actually do not have atomic weapons. This is useful for denial purposes. However, in only few hours, the components can be assembled into operational nukes.

[Florin]

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The IDF has the best reseved in the world. All men after their military servis,(between 3-5 years)do each year till they 50 about 40 days of instruction and combat activities.....

Also the ladies do some military duties, and military training. I guess the most useful would be how to avoid to be captured... :wink:

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The arab countries has no chance even with combined forces . I can't take it out of my mind,how in the first days of Yon Kipur,a tank division of rezervists,led by Yossi Peled,equiped with ww2 Shermans stopped a whole Iraki division with latest Soviet models tanks......Even then they kept their turets moving in order to keep the Irakies at range. At morning the Irakies retreated.

In the Yon Kipur war, the Arab aggressors were Egypt, Siria and Jordan. Iraq was "far and away", as the movie title.

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That kind of fight was never seen evan in ww2!.

I think it could be seen many times. In April 1945 alone the Germans destroyed 2500 Russian tanks on the Eastern Front and 1500 tanks on the Western Front, most of them with individual RPG or with hand-thrown grenades and Molotov cocktails. I would add that the Romanian troops kept the frontline reasonably well in the winter of 1942, considering their lack of anti-tank artillery. However, this is risky, because everybody can understand "reasonably well" the way he wants.

[Chandernagore]

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In the Yon Kipur war, the Arab aggressors were Egypt, Siria and Jordan. Iraq was \"far and away\", as the movie title.

Two Iraki brigades saw action during the last days of the Israeli counter offensive toward Damas. It was not very impressive. There was a lot of confusion with several "friendly fire" incidents between Syrians & Irakis but it did make the Israeli more cautious and took some of the pressure off the Syrians. It was enough for the Iraki to trumpet that they "saved" Damas.

The Jordanians, who otherwise stayed out of the war, also sent the 40th tank brigade to try to save the Syrian bacon.

[C-2]

Florin,
The Irakies did fought against the IDF in Yom Kipur.....
The "ladies"that are in the IDF,I'm sorry to say ,are much of a soldiers than most of the Romanian and other European countries soldiers.
They spend more hours in combat training than you'll ever imagine.
If you want to see one or two,try the counter of the EL-AL in a your future airport to be in...They do not look like wonder-woman but belive me they are true pro.
Try to read my post again,I didn't said nothing about nr of tanks!
I said that the IDF tanks never took a break for refuling and rearming.
Evan M.Wittman use to atack and retreat....

[Florin]

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Florin, ................... I said that the IDF tanks never took a break for refuling and rearming. Evan M.Wittman use to atack and retreat....

First, my thanks to Chandernagore and to C-2 for this chance to improve my knowledge about the Yon Kipur war.
Second, I am a little confused about what I quoted: "the IDF tanks never took a break for refueling and rearming". I would feel more comfortable with: "never took a long break".
A tank has roughly 500 liters of fuel (I have the German Panzer V in mind), which sooner or later dry out. So you have to make a brake to refuel, even though the brake could be short. The same for the ammunition.

[C-2]

Florin,
Please read my post again:I was refering to that particular night,when theIDF tanks stopped the Iraki column.That particular night they didn't went back for refulig and rearming because there was no fuel and no amo and no maintainence staff.If they'd have reatreat ,the way to tha hart of israel was open.Like I said ,first they finished the amo and after a while the fuel.Then the crews remained in the tanks ,fired with the mg's and did all sorts of things in order to maintain an aparence of an activ fighting corps!
Btw,the Sherman has a range of 100 miles.

[Chandernagore]

C2, I think there may be some confusion here. I'm not aware of any Iraki units taking part in the initial offensive on the Golan. They came far later. I have a rather similar account of the engagement you mention but the Arab opponent was Syrian not Iraki. Also the Shermans mounted the standard 105mm Israeli gun so the famous Ronson was bitting harder than it's WWII equivalent

[C-2]

The "fight "I was refering to,took place on the second or third day of the war(but I may be wrong about the date..) the place was surely at the crossing between Syria -Jordan and israel I'm not sure again about the name of the place ,but it may be near Hamatgader.
Yossi Peled got for his action some hight decoration....
If you are curios I can ask for more info.

[88mm]

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there is no way the organization & discipline of the Israelis can be surpassed by the arabs.

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Every army can be surpassed at some point. They all have troops massed near the borders. Israel is a small country, so the first days of a conflict are very important. They can't be so easily surprised by an atack because of the MOSAD, wich from my knoledge is a diferent organiozation. Let's not forget that the anihilation of the Egyptian aviation it's mostly a MOSAD victory. If I'm not wrong the whole .63 war was started by the Israel, because all the reports showed an imminent atack from the Arabs.

[Chandernagore]

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If I'm not wrong the whole .63 war was started by the Israel, because all the reports showed an imminent atack from the Arabs.

Not really a new war, there was just a lull between 48 and 67 while each side build strength

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Yossi Peled got for his action some hight decoration....   If you are curios I can ask for more info.

C-2 Yes if you can post some additional stuff or links on this I would appreciate.